Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blackie Starks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The one keep argument was pretty well refuted. Smashvilletalk 15:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Blackie Starks

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Fails WP:BIO. Been in lots of minor bands! Not enough. Been in one major band! Not enough, under WP:MUSIC. Ironholds (talk) 01:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 02:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MUSIC, and the tone and content strongly suggests this was written by Starks himself, up to and including a link right to iTunes where you can buy the guy's album... all that's missing to make this an obvious ad would be big text saying CLICK HERE TO BUY NOW!!! Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

According to the byrules, a notable subject must meet at least one of the criteria to be considered. The subject of this article meets several. Follow the links and do your own research.


 * 1) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)
 * 2) Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nafariusjones (talk • contribs) 04:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Those apply to musical groups and musicians performing individually. Bandmembers have a different set of standards. Ironholds (talk) 04:40, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The criteria was pulled straight from the [] page under the section that explains the requirements for musicians... Are you telling me that the wikipedia rules page is incorrect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nafariusjones (talk • contribs) 04:47, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, see what I wrote. The section starts "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria"; this is to cover ensembles or musicians who perform individually, not musicians who perform as part of a band. See the section at the bottom "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article". Ironholds (talk) 05:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep This article seems legit. It is a well written and lengthy article that would be a shame to delete. Although it needs some cleaning up (Typos, and a more unbiased approach), it is overall a worthy article. Although the majority of his works are not noteworthy, there are some of his accomplishments that validate this articles' place on Wikipedia. In particular, the work he has done with NASCAR Images is very notable. As a NASCAR fan, I am familiar with that particular area of his career. In short, the article shold be kept, but reworked into a more unbiased article.--Johncoracing48 (talk) 01:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please show exactly how, under what policy, his NASCAR work allows him to pass WP:BIO? Ironholds (talk) 07:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Inadequate notability under WP:Music and WP:Bio. --A1octopus (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment His work with NASCAR Images qualifies him as notable because of his work with a major administration. It states in WP:Music the 10th qualification under criteria for musicians and ensembles:Has performed music for a work of media that is notable. If NASCAR Images (Now called NASCAR Digital Media) is not a notable administration, then it shouldn't have a place on Wikipedia either.--Johncoracing48 (talk) 15:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Quote the full thing; "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)". It's a single performance on a NASCAR compilation album. Ironholds (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment It is a song that served as the theme song at the beginning of most NASCAR Images films from 2003-2004. I know this song and it is used heavily in NASCAR. I was watching a Hendrick Motorsports promo video last year and that song was playing during most of the video. It's popularity on the NASCAR scene makes the song itself notable enough for an article. Shouldn't that make the writer of the song notable too?--Johncoracing48 (talk) 01:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ..Except it wasn't written by him, it was written by his band :P. WP:MUSIC rules are complex. There's a way of saying that the NASCAR popularity makes the band notable, which makes Starks notable, but that's rather a Walled Garden. Ironholds (talk) 01:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment Regardless of your walled gardens, Starks is still notable for doing something famous. If you refuse to find notability in his NASCAR work, surely something can be found elsewhere.--Johncoracing48 (talk) 12:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


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