Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blackthorn Asylum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Cirt (talk) 00:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Blackthorn Asylum

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Track listing only, no independent notability, does not necessitate a separate article  Chzz  ►  02:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Album has been out only a few weeks, conclusion of nonnotability is clearly premature. Band's prior 10 albums have articles with no apparent notability issues. As per WP:OSE, when a general pattern of notability is established for a finite group of related subjects, trying to make an exception for one isn't a great idea and undercuts the goal of comprehensive coverage. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge - I can't find anything here which would assert notability. I also can't find anything that would assert notability for their last 3 albums either. This should be merged with the band's article or deleted. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 03:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. Searching finds no significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 05:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP Chzz is on a rampage trying to remove this band's entire discography. Chzz has nominated almost every album for removal, and this band is charted on Billboard and has numerous press interviews (see list of interviews), the band already has 3 interviews for this album. This album was just released, and someone just made the stub, so give others a chance to write the article. Ebonyskye (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Does any of your argument address the article and not the user? MuZemike 02:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. As I stated it is a brand new article and new release from a popular band, and the subject is already getting press, so it should be given a chance to expand per Wiki Music Project. Ther's tons of other album stubs from bands not even together anymore and that haven't been worked on for years that would be better candidates for deletion. Ebonyskye (talk) 02:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I also searched and found a review/release announcment in Fangoria, which is a very notable worldwide horror magazine, around for over 25 years. I added the link under the reviews section of the infobox. Ebonyskye (talk) 07:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And, how about this... a magazine in Turkey. The interview is in both Turkish and English (thank goodness). The writer specifically asks about Blackthorn Asylum. I'm thinking that counts for notability, considering this band doesn't tour. There's also an interview in Greece, Austria, and several in the UK. The interview I cited mentions that the album theme is based on a story by Lovecraft. Ebonyskye (talk) 08:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Today, I found the listing at All Music for this album, so that in addition to the Fangoria article, and the Turkish interview, means this is notable enough that it should be kept. Per WP:Music "'In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia.'" It has already been established in previous discussions that Nox Arcana is notable, having 11 full-length albums, their 3rd release being in the Top 10 on the Billboard Holiday chart. Ebonyskye (talk) 00:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Rationale per WP:Music for Notability of the band and international coverage of the album. Secondly, per Other stuff exists the album should be kept for Consistency in terms of providing a consistant and well-organized discography — the album pages have been in place for several years and is part of Wiki Music Project, with new additions being added as they are released (Nox Arcana currently has 11 albums). Until now, this was not a problem.


 * To further support keeping this article, I proded two album articles and a book recently for lack of notability, and the prods were removed 1 and 2, 3. Editors claim that the band/book was notable, yet one of the bands has disbanded, and one album is not charted, nor is it covered in the press, and neither article contained references. The book is not notable and only one review was posted in response to the Prod. It should be noted that Chzz, the same editor who Afd'd this album, supports keeping his book article based on adding a few reviews and a link to an online bookstore, but nothing that specifically indicates notability of the book itself.
 * So, if the aforementioned three editors' rationale "(band or author is notable, therefore album or book is worthy of an article)" is accepted for 1, 2 and 3, then the same is true in this case. (This was part of my discussion for Articles for deletion/Necronomicon (album). I felt it applied here as well.) Ebonyskye (talk) 02:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Band is somewhat notable and this album has received coverage in sources. --Pink Bull (talk) 19:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.