Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blagoveshchensk massacre and Sixty-Four Villages East of the River massacre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Now, as the only user who voted delete switched to keep I can withdraw it. I will remove now remaining false statements in the article (when I nominated it the article only contained false statements and nothing else.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:01, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Blagoveshchensk massacre and Sixty-Four Villages East of the River massacre

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Unsourced claims of massacres, POV. Ymblanter (talk) 06:55, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep or Draftify. It is a massacre indeed (Blagoveshchensk massacre can be found in a lot of journals and books [] ) and I did not see any POV. But the article is a bit short. It has even less information about the massacre than in Blagoveshchensk and Sixty-Four_Villages_East_of_the_River. The author can expand the article by translating from zhwp. -- 94rain  Talk 08:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, the article says Russian army invaded the two cities in China whereas it is trivial to check that this is one city and a bunch of villages around, and they were (and still are) located in Russia. It is somehow not difficult to figure out that Blagoveshchensk is not a Chinese name.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:38, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah Blagoveshchensk is a Russian name. Actually the city formerly belongs to Qing Dynasty, but it was ceded to Russia by Treaty of Aigun in 1858.-- 94rain  Talk 10:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Or, to be exact, the area was indeed ceded to Russia, and then Russians built a fortress in the area.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:03, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to starting another article with a similar title per WP:TNT - It's trivially easy to find academic sources for the term Blagoveshchensk Massacre but the article as it stands is just too poor and unsourced. Alternatively an editor with more time could make this article into something worth keeping and I'd flip to keep per WP:HEY KEEP per WP:HEY. FOARP (talk) 10:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is not well-written but the sources for the massacre are abundant, including this, this,  this, this and this. Russian troops massacred Chinese nationals who were living on Russian soil, though that’s not really clear from the text. No reason at all to delete. Personally I don’t think it’s even so bad that it warrants a Draftify; I think it just wants some tidying and filling out. Mccapra (talk) 14:03, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unsourced ≠ POV. That is a falacious rationale that is used far too much at AFD. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 19:40, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Besides which, the improvements made by 94rain make the nomination moot. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 19:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep It is a massacre indeed, not good in writing, but the sources are abundant.--SalmanZ (talk) 23:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)


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