Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blake Ridder


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 11:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Blake Ridder

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I came across this page as an A7 speedy, but it doesn't cleanly apply here since he does have a minor role in a notable upcoming film.

That said, the role is "Hong Kong Office Worker" so it's not the type that would make him notable enough to keep on that basis alone or even mention in the main article for the film. A search brings up nothing that would establish notability, as he doesn't seem to have gained any sort of coverage for his work as a whole. The guy exists, but existing and working in a specific career is not in itself inherently notable. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:55, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I did another search for sources and still didn't find anything, but it looks like the name "Blake Ridder" is a pen name for Sean Lu, per his Linkedin account. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: A WP:SPA article on a self-publishing author who has what looks to be minor parts in as-yet unreleased films. No evidence of notability. AllyD (talk) 15:55, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

What about his 100K twitter followers? Surely that's a notable amount of fans. Also in August 2014, his current published book was the #1 bestseller Seanismuk (talk) 19:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Fan counts do not count for notability on Wikipedia, partially due to sites where you can purchase a substantial amount of followers. I'm not saying that this is what happened with Ridder, but it's common enough to where popularity does not make someone notable. Also, Amazon sales rankings do not count towards notability on Wikipedia. This is for a number of reasons such as it being difficult to track rankings and because there are so many different "lists" on there - after a while the categories grow so specific that achieving a good sales rank isn't a hugely monumental task, especially if the work is given out for free - which is the case here. Additional reasons for this stem from the same issue as buying Twitter followers - people can and have found ways to artificially alter their sales rankings on Amazon. Again, not saying that he's doing it, just that people have and it's a pretty visible and well known issue on there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:11, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I also have to ask: are you Ridder or someone affiliated or associated with him? Any conflict of interest must be disclosed. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:40, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG, with absolutely no substantial, independent coverage from reliable sources. See also WP:GOOGLEHITS. GABgab 19:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - Could we not edit and mention he is an upcoming author with some notability? Plenty of self publishing authors who are not all that notable. I just think maybe the article can be edited in a way. Seanismuk (talk) 21:34, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Notability must be established by sourcing in the here and now and there just isn't anything out there to show that he's notable as an actor or an author. As far as the existence of articles on other self-published authors goes, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS pointing out these other articles is not an argument for inclusion. Some of those authors might fail notability guidelines and should have their articles deleted while others would pass. The existence of those articles doesn't mean that an article on someone who fails WP:NAUTHOR or other criteria should remain. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Let's get ridder him. His book is a "#1 bestseller" ... according to him, and him alone. (On the other hand, Goodreads says it was downloaded "over 5000 times". Must be #1 in Lower Slobbovia or Elbonia.) He's "played" a role in a film that hasn't been released yet. Oy veh. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong delete His one work to date, a short story, is not enough to pass notability as a writer. I agree there are lots of other articles on non-notable writers, but this is not a reason to keep this one. His upcoming novel may at some point be key to his notability, but not at this point. For that matter, since it is upcoming, we do not know it will be published. That he has some role in a film with a 2018 release date may be verifiable, but the role does not look to be significant, and even if it was he would need two such roles to count as notable as an actor, but they need to be significant, and his role in the 2018 film does not look to be. In fat, even if he has clearly been filmed, it is possible it will be cut from the final film.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:19, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:57, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:57, 9 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - Found no reliable sources to indicate notability. Prowp (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:00, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Draft Further research shows subject is of relatively younger year- is probably going to get more roles in the future. Past that, I think a role in a speilburg is enough for a pass, no matter how trivial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnTombs48 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have any huge issue with drafting the content, but the problem with this is that there's no way to predict that he will gain future roles. Sometimes people can and do go on to bigger and better things, but in most cases a creative professional will never gain that foothold and will never have the ability to sink into obscurity because they never became all that well known. Ridder has apparently only had one role, a background character without a name (and likely non-speaking), and has self-published books that has never received any sort of coverage in independent RS. My concern is that cultivating a draftspace article will just result in an article that will likely remain in the draftspace for years, if not forever. As far as the Spielberg role goes, notability is not automatically inherited (WP:NOTINHERITED) by Spielberg directing the film. The average blockbuster film will have dozens, possibly even hundreds of extras that are named things like "Office Worker #5" or "Girl in coffeeshop". Even the role being on IMDb isn't an indication of the size or importance of the role, since roles of this nature are typically added by the extra rather than the production company, as the company has nothing to gain by adding them while the extra can use it to bolster their resume. Now what would make the role notable is if news outlets or other independent RS were to cover the actor and their role, which doesn't seem to have happened here. To put this in perspective, my father was an extra in the Emmy award nominated Delbert Mann film Ironsides and he was even visible in one scene (my sisters and I were uncredited extras only visible in the distance during a later scene), but he is not automatically notable because he was part of the movie. Notability simply isn't inherited by any association with notable films or people. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete – does not meet notability criteria, lacks in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources. Citobun (talk) 13:46, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


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