Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blessing Ejiofor


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__.  Malinaccier ( talk ) 01:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Blessing Ejiofor

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Does not appear to pass WP:NBASKETBALL as they do not meet any of the criteria, or WP:GNG as the sources are insufficient to establish that. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Basketball, Nigeria, Florida, New Jersey, North Carolina, Tennessee,  and West Virginia.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  22:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Can I contribute more on this? SusuGeo (talk) 12:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. Any editor may work to improve articles, even those that have been nominated for deletion.  If you can demonstrate that the person is notable for some reason (you can see my reasons for questioning this below), then you might be able to prevent the article from being deleted!  Good luck!  P Aculeius (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: This is unusual in that there are several editors here who have put in time to locate sources but they haven't given their opinion on whether or not this article should be Kept, Deleted or maybe moved to Draft space if it looks like they have a promising professional career ahead of them. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete [see comment of June 3] unless some reason can be keeping can be located. Normally I would point out that the nominator did not mention having searched for sources, as required by WP:BEFORE.  However, this is a college basketball player, and the sources in which you would expect her to be mentioned are probably news sources.  A quick search just using the "news" tool above appeared to show minimal coverage: university profiles focused on one of their student athletes, and a couple of basketball scores.  Certainly nothing currently in the article demonstrates notability: there are thousands of college basketball players, some of whom are notable, but merely being one doesn't seem to indicate notability.  I admit to some uncertainty: is it usual for all Vanderbilt Commodores players to have articles, even those who weren't part of the team for very long and who don't appear to have been primary contributors to their team?  It's possible that there's some policy I don't know of here, or some other reason for notability I didn't think of, but it isn't indicated yet.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @P Aculeius Usually the majority of college players don't have an article. The editor in question seems to have been creating articles of players from Africa rather than Vanderbilt players. There is no inherent notability from playing for Vanderbilt or any other basketball team, college teams or otherwise. All players must simply pass WP:GNG. There are some sources below that have been uncovered since your !vote if you are interested. Alvaldi (talk) 10:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Playing professionally would tend to make her more notable, but if the only thing to add is that she's done so, then it may not be enough. I don't discount local sources, but merely being interviewed by a student newspaper, however editorially independent it may be, doesn't confer notability.  The question is whether she's done something to bring her to attention at some significant level.  For instance, being a major contributor to a championship team, or mentioned (not just in passing, or noting the basketball scores) in news sources with a greater reach than college papers.  Sporting figures profiled in national papers or similar sources may be notable.  I'm not foreclosing the possibility of notability; just that so far it doesn't seem to be here.  P Aculeius (talk) 14:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: This subject doesn't appear to have nearly enough to meet the WP:GNG. I found 1 paragraph of coverage at [], and the subject was interviewed by 60 Minutes []. It is a close call though, so please ping me if more sources are found. This source provides depth but is quite local []. Let&#39;srun (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is also []. Let&#39;srun (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Please note that locality of sources has no bearing on whether they go towards GNG or not. Proposals to discount local sources have been repeatedly rejected in the past. Regarding other sources, This has a few paragraphs about her. There is also this feature in the The Daily Athenaeum. It is the student newspaper at West Virginia University, something we generally don't consider going towards GNG, but it states in its article that it is editorially independent from the university and does not have a faculty adviser. I'm not sure that changes anything. There is also this feature in relations to the 60 minutes interview. Alvaldi (talk) 09:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that since 2022, she has played professionally in Spain and France so there might be some sources there. She is also a member of the Nigerian national team which could indicate that there might be sources about her in the Nigerian media. Alvaldi (talk) 10:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Alvaldi, we have a strong consensus against considering any student papers as contributory to notability, regardless of their editorial independence: However, given their local audience and lack of independence from their student body, student media does not contribute to notability for topics related to home institutions. JoelleJay (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @JoelleJay I've usually never consider student papers being contributory to notability but the part about it being editorial independent cast a few doubts in my mind with this particular paper. Thanks for the clearup. Alvaldi (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The SI article is not independent and potentially not RS, as it was written by a WVU sophomore for the Mountaineers Now "FanNation" blog section of SI. JoelleJay (talk) 16:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I assume you are talking about the one Alvaldi posted? I posted a different one above that one. Let&#39;srun (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: in addition to the WP:NBASKETBALL criteria mentioned above, WP:NCOLLATH may be relevant here. However, while the article has some improvements since this discussion began, I still don't see any evidence of notability.  The subject doesn't seem to have won any titles or participated in any championships or tournaments of note, and the only details provided in any of the sources describe nothing more than a brief biography focused on her playing basketball at various schools or being a member of various teams or playing in certain places.  Nothing that would naturally bring her to national attention, or distinguish her from thousands of other college or minor professional athletes.  P Aculeius (talk) 09:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. based on presented citations 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 this person will meet WP:GNG and WP:BIO.Hkkingg (talk) 08:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Haven't had a chance to look at the other sources, but the first one you posted is from Vanderbilt (the school she played for at the time the article was written), and as such isn't independent. Let&#39;srun (talk) 14:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * to what Let’srun said. Also, I saw these sources you just mentioned before I made this nomination and they just can’t be used to establish GNG, subject already said WP:NBASKETBALL. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Still removing the primary source, we have 4 other sources. I stand by my Keep vote. Again you don't need to protect your nomination and argue every voter that opposes your nomination. this is not a good practice. Let the admins decide.Hkkingg (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hkkingg This is not a matter of protecting my nomination (that sounds weird) or whatever, this is a deletion discussion, and this is a matter of letting you know what the policies and guidelines involved really is. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Only one of those sources is independent. The first is from Vanderbilt, the second from WVU recruitment affiliate WV Sports Now (written by WVU students/employees), the third from the Vanderbilt student newspaper, and the fourth from the WVU student newspaper. The remaining French source is routine transactional news. JoelleJay (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per my above arguments. I don't see the sustained SIGCOV in multiple independent secondary sources to meet GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla  Ohhhhhh, no! 05:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: This subject was covered extensively in this SI cover story from 2020 [], and while somewhat local this story from the Patterson Times is dedicated to her []. Ejiofor was also featured on 60 Minutes in 2020. As such, we have multiple independent, reliable sources providing WP:SIGCOV of the subject with which to meet the WP:GNG. Let&#39;srun (talk) 00:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The SI story is a single event, so we would need sources showing sustained SIGCOV to meet N. The (highly local) Paterson Times source fails YOUNGATH and does not count towards GNG, and the fact she was interviewed on 60 Minutes is also irrelevant as it is not secondary independent coverage. If the only good material we have on her is from a flurry of minor pieces regarding one event in 2020, and nothing else substantial since then, we really don't have an NPOV basis for an article. JoelleJay (talk) 11:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have no issue with the quality, significance, or relevance of the sources. My question is, what is the subject notable for?  Her personal life doesn't establish notability, and being a member of college basketball teams or minor professional basketball teams doesn't establish notability.  Being interviewed by sports magazines or similar sources doesn't make her notable.  What is it that elevates her above the level of a good but not particularly outstanding young athlete?  Has she done something unusual or important that would still be worth mentioning twenty, forty, sixty years down the road?  Right now the only specifics about her basketball career, besides a list of teams that she's played for, are that she scored 28 points for the Vanderbilt Commodores over the course of twenty-two games in one season: an average of 1.27 points per game played.  In any given year, there are literally thousands of college basketball players with comparable records.  P Aculeius (talk) 14:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per the references above which establish notability. The SI cover story is one and the other pieces of independent and routine local coverage provided above can count toward the second as expected by GNG.  WP:NBIO clearly states that If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability.  Frank   Anchor  01:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But what is she notable for? She's not notable for having been mentioned or even interviewed by multiple publications.  These sources would help if they said anything about her that would be notable; do they?  As a basketball player, she's got to be notable for doing something important in basketball, and other than a list of teams she's been on, all that we know about her basketball career is that she scored 28 points one year.  That's not notable!  Virtually every starting player on every college basketball team in the country scores more than that over the course of a season, and they're not all notable.  What sets her apart from thousands of non-notable players?  It can't all come down to the number of publications that have mentioned her.  P Aculeius (talk) 05:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete P Aculeius and Vanderwaalforces are right. I had to google about her and there was nothing notable to show off as per WP:GNG. A school university website cant be use as a source as well.-- Gabriel  (talk to me )  15:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Lean keep: according to Nigeria women's national basketball team, Blessing Ejiofor is a member of the team that won the 2023 Women's Afrobasket tournament, an international tournament held every two years, and Nigeria has won the last four tournaments. The team also qualified for this summer's Olympic Games at the 2024 FIBA Women's Olympic Qualifying Tournaments.  Now, I don't have enough expertise with the subject to be sure I can identify and cite which sources are appropriate for these, but if Ejiofor is a member of a championship team and (probably) the 2024 Nigerian Olympic basketball team, that might seem to be enough to establish notability.  That and what's already in the article would seem to be an even better bet.  But someone with more expertise with these tournaments should add this to the article.  P Aculeius (talk) 17:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It is not about adding a biography without a reliable source. If she was a member of a championship team. Does that means all members should have a stand alone article without providing sources nor meeting WP:GNG. A Wikipedia page is not a reliable source to why a person should have a stand alone article which you are already diverting to. So pointing those blue link because you found her there still doesn't make her notable. She falls under the category of Too soon.  Gabriel  (talk to me )  17:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you read my comment, nowhere did I say that Wikipedia was a source for her notability. I pointed at those articles because if the statements made or implied are correct, then she is probably at least minimally notable, and some of the sources cited in those articles could and should be added here.  I deferred doing so to someone with more familiarity with the type of source being listed, as those sources are beyond my realm of expertise.  I've said all along that the sources aren't what make someone notable or non-notable: it's the information those sources can be used to verify.
 * Whether being a member of a championship basketball team or a national Olympic basketball team is sufficient to demonstrate notability, alone or in combination with what's already in the article is a matter of opinion. But I suspect it is, if the sources can be cited by someone with more experience in this field.  Since this wasn't previously discussed and isn't currently in the article, I think it potentially changes things.  It provides a concrete basis for claiming notability that was lacking before, even though this material needs to be substantiated.  However, deleting the article before this has been done would be premature.  P Aculeius (talk) 07:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would have the article but can't find significant coverage on google.  Gabriel  (talk to me )  09:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


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