Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Collar Special


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. There is not one keep argument based in policy, leaving only consensus to delete. Shereth 21:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Blue Collar Special

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Seem to be unnotable but for use in a game soundtrack. DJ Clayworth (talk) 18:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Keep This article should not be deleted for they are an important band with a record label, a website, and 3 CDs. They are just as important as any other band on wikipedia. If you delete this article now you will be sorry when they become hits in the future.99.153.2.148 (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Keep This article should not be deleted. Deleting it would be pointless. If the band has a track on a videogame then they must be important. Tony Hawk would just find some dumb garage band and slap one of their tracks on his new game. I think this article can really amount to something. You just have to give it a chance.T4k (talk) 20:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment Now why would you delete this article? IF THEY'RE ON A VIDEO GAME THEY MUST BE IMPORTANT!!! I mean, there is an article on Bad Luck 13 Riot Extravaganza (who?) but you still want to delete good old BCS. Thats just crazy!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.153.2.148 (talk) 20:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment Dont delete this article!!! I even created a redirect from "blue collor special". Dont throw all my hard work away!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by T4k (talk • contribs) 20:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Request for Clarification Does anyone assert the band meets WP:MUSIC criteria, and if so, which? Lastingsmilledge (talk) 22:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete My interpretation of the compilation provision of WP:MUSIC is that because this is their only claim to notability, it is insufficient. I have looked for nontrivial secondary sources and have not found anything. Lastingsmilledge (talk) 15:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Can't find any evidence of notability, searched Google and Google News and only found self-published sites and gig listings. Fans of this band, if you want the article kept then please find articles about the band in newspapers, magazines etc and post links here to demonstrate notability. Will happily change my opinion if you can do so. Ryan Paddy (talk) 23:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm Smelling a Sock Both the User:T4k and User:99.153.2.148 are new accounts, both inserted unsigned comments in addition to their own, and both used gibberish in edit summaries (see User:T4k edit summary for 17:13 9 July 2008 and compare with several User:99.153.2.148 edit summaries). For the most part, I'm indifferent to whether to delete this article, but I am not a fan of socks, whether of the clothing variety or the Wikipedia variety and their existence is enough to push me toward Delete. Eauhomme (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I really don't understand punishing users of Wikipedia by suggesting deletion of articles. Either the article meets Wikipedia standards or it doesn't. Apparent violations by its supporters should be dealt with separately. There are dangers in judging content by user actions, it makes the process much less impartial. Ryan Paddy (talk) 02:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Point taken. I'll give the user the benefit of the doubt and change my opinion to neutral. Eauhomme (talk) 03:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. No reliable source establishing notability.--Boffob (talk) 04:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete although being included on the game soundtrack gives them some notability perhaps I can't find any information from reliable 3rd party sources about the band (or even their inclusion on said soundtrack). References within the article are primary source and/or "undergoing maintenance". Nothing on GNews (even in the archives) and a huge number of stuff through standard G are lyrics sites, wiki mirrors, or places to illegally download music (so I'm pretty sure they fail RS). Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this counts as an RS for the track being included in the game . DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have to let others decide as I can't access that site from work. Could you add it to the article (just in case consensus is to keep it shoul dbe there). Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

CommentDear Jasynnash2 They do have a song on a soundtrack. It is on the soundtrack for Tony Hawk's Underground in the punk section. Sorry for the misunderstanding.T4k (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The reference is a posting on gamespot, and while postings aren't generally reliable this one is from 2003 so unlikely to have been created in support of this article. DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Keep You know I really think this band is notable. Theyre from Southern California and im from the midwest and Ive heard about them. Getting your name across the country is tough. ''This unsigned contribution was from 99.153.2.148 who already expressed an opinion above. DJ Clayworth (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It may well be difficult, but Wikipedia is not for advertising or spreading the word. It's meant to cover things that are already well-known. Lastingsmilledge (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  19:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Week keep Looks notable, but the article should be written better. --Dezidor (talk) 12:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Rafe rafe@bluecollarspecial.com Johnny johnny@bluecollarspecial.com Joey joey@bluecollarspecial.com Chris chris@bluecollarspecial.com But I dont have an email adress. Their website is still underconstruction but when it gets finished im sure it will be a good source for info. T4k (talk) 15:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * CommentLook guys I swear to god Im not part of this band and havent been hired to advertise for them. Im trying hard to find more info about them. Normally I would email them at these adresses


 * Comment We appreciate your hard work. The concern isn't that your page is spam or that the band doesn't exist, but that the band just isn't notable. I personally don't read the notability page to say that a song on a compilation or soundtrack makes a band inherently notable, which seems to be the disconnect. Also, a band's website itself probably isn't a reliable source in the sense that we're using it - we're asking for things like newspaper articles or reviews. It's possible that I'm wrong about the notability criterion, in which case the closing administrator will opt not to delete the article. Lastingsmilledge (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. No third party sources, no releases on a major label or notable indie label, no chart presence. One track on a game soundrack is not enough on its own to meet WP:BAND. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 18:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Keep I really think the article should be kept!!!!!! 24.208.45.11 (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't vote on Articles for Deletion. Just saying "keep" is not enough; you have to make a case for it. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 22:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment Maybe we should turn the article into a stub99.153.2.148 (talk) 21:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How would that make this band notable? &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 22:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete. The only criteria I have seen for the article to be retained under WP:MUSIC is that they have performed music for a work of media that is notable (the video game Tony Hawk's Underground). However, that criterion continues (in brackets) But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. But they appear to have provided just one track out of 72 used in the game, and according to my counting were one of 70 bands providing the music, so I don't think it merits even a redirect. Should the band become famous, then a new article will doubtless be created, but Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball. Jll (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

KeepThe article should be kept67.53.251.154 (talk) 19:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC) — 67.53.251.154 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

CommentThere are third party sources.Look in the refrences>99.149.118.183 (talk) 15:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * QuestionPlease clarify which of the 4 references in the article you consider to be reliable 3rd party references which verify the groups notability. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: My sockpuppet sense is tingling. Several IPs have commented here in defense of the article with similar writing style and keyboard-gibberish edit summaries. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 17:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

KeepI agree with T4k —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.45.191 (talk) 00:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't think I have this many socks in my top drawer. I noted the sockpuppetry possibility back on the 10th, but now it's getting pretty obvious. Eauhomme (talk) 02:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.