Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Dawn Gaming


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The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Blue Dawn Gaming

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It's an online gaming organization. Article details history and rivalries with other groups that would only be of interest to hard-core clan members. All this information is unsourced as well. Only assertion of notability is that the organization was featured in a CNN International mini-documentary on the gaming community. While that's cool and all, I don't believe that this confers notability in and of itself, especially without any additional third-party sources. Zachlipton (talk) 04:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I can trim the history down to key points and get some more references. I only moved it off my page so that it could be developed more by others and not just myself. The main claim to notability is the cnn documentary which the clan was a part of in addition to work with AQA who is well known regionally in Oregon (I'm not sure what the scope of notability must be for Wikipedia). I am new to creating my own article (I have edited numerous times before) so I would appreciate any advice on cleaning up this article. Achilles2144 (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Obvious. Bad referencing, not notible. Skullbird11 (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - In response to above, what must be improved in terms of referencing? Can you clarify? "not notible"; Fulfills Wikipedia's notability guidelines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability), only dubious criterion would be "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material.", but they are a major part of the CNN mini-documentary. In addition this was shown internationally in April of 2010. Achilles2144 (talk) 4:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC) — Achilles2144 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Yes, "notable" refers to the policies at WP:N. That policy requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" to receive a presumption of notability. The CNN story is great, but it's one mention, as opposed to the multiple sources required by the guideline. Furthermore, Blue Dawn Gaming does certainly play a role in the story, but it's not the primary subject. That's fine too, but it provides another indication that additional sources are needed to confer notability. As the policy states: "The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources." Basically, to get their own Wikipedia article, websites and web content should have had enough of a meaningful impact that multiple independent people have commented upon them in reliable sources. I don't see substantial evidence that this is the case here. It's nothing personal, and if you can supply additional references, I'd be happy to reconsider. Thanks. Zachlipton (talk) 06:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As stated above, the documentary cannot verify this clan's notibility per WP:N. I should have explained this in my first comment. I have been a part of the gaming and eSport community for some time now and I have never heard of this clan. In terms of referencing, I only see 2 sources at the bottom of the page, the clan's website and this documentary. I feel that more is needed. Do they or have they taken part in a major MLG league? I guess that could pass WP:N if the sources are there. Skullbird11 (talk) 10:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 *  Extremely Weak keep - The CNN.com video, while typically a reliable source, could also viewed as a self-published source since Ramirez (the author of the video) belongs to the associated clan. --Teancum (talk) 16:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. A passing mention on CNN is not what notability is supposed to be all about.  Qworty (talk) 04:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong delete fails WP:GNG. gnews shows nothing . LibStar (talk) 07:36, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep It is a major part of the documentary and not simply a passing mention. Additional sources have been added on the page as well. Perhaps the history should be summarized better. Achilles2144 (talk) 07:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * you cannot !vote twice. LibStar (talk) 10:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, new to this, assumed that one could after relist. Achilles2144 (talk) 16:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.204.151.5 (talk)

keep needs work but notableThisbites (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Simply not notable.  I sense some WP:COI going on as well.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 16:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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