Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Hamilton


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Blue Hamilton

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Non-notable individual who never won any awards and none of his musical efforts charted. All of his coverage in reliable sources is WP:INHERITED from Matt Dallas' marriage and adopted child with him and is covered on that article. This person simply doesn't have any standalone notability. N Ø  10:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  PATH SLOPU (Talk) 13:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  PATH SLOPU (Talk) 13:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Falls under WP:NOTINHERITED. No one knew who he was until their relationship was made public. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  14:02, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. First, WP:NOTINHERITED is being misconstrued here. It is not a policy or guideline. It is not a rationale for deletion. It is a type of argument to avoid in arguing to keep an article, according to an essay. So we can set that aside right now. Second, and much more to the point, while Hamilton is frequently mentioned by sources in relation to Matt Dallas, he is also frequently mentioned in his own right, typically in regard to his music or “net worth.” He has an album available on iTunes and Amazon. People actually exist in the real world who like and follow his music, and write about it. Whether Hamilton’s fame took off due to his association with Dallas—in fact, howsoever he or anyone else became famous or known—is entirely beside the point. These other facts I’ve mentioned are the point. It’s a clear keep. Antinoos69 (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hardly. "People actually exist in the real world who follow his music" is not a rationale for establishing notability. There are scores of artists who have loyal followings but will otherwise remain in obscurity. As indicated by nominator, he has no charting records (all of one EP in six years, plus any schlep can put an album on Amazon nowadays), nor any work with a reputable label, and his only notability comes on the backs of others like Dallas or Fernando Garibay. If Hamilton is "frequently mentioned in his own right," prove it with links to said sources; this goes for anyone who insists on dangling the carrot of sources magically existing when a subject is listed for AfD. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  22:22, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I will assume you are capable of performing a general internet search for “Blue Hamilton.” The sources I spoke of were found thusly. And stop hinting at or assuming WP:NOTINHERITED; it is irrelevant here. Antinoos69 (talk) 23:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've done that before and come up with zilch, otherwise it'd have been added to the article long ago. I've discerned anyway why you're vehemently contesting the nomination despite the subject's clear lack of notability, and it's no better a reason for keeping the article. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  20:48, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Pardon me but I tried Googling him and only got results for Hamilton the musical. It would be helpful if you linked some stand-alone coverage of him from reliable sources.— N Ø  12:33, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Strong Delete Individual fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO based on the following.
 * 1) The sources listed in the article - the first 2 are links to where to buy Blue Hamilton's music, the third is a link to Blue Hamilton's and Matt Dallas' youtube channel, and everything else is short announcements about Matt Dallas and his fiance Blue Hamilton (they got engaged), Matt Dallas and his husband Blue Hamilton (they got married), Matt Dallas and his husband and their son (they adopted). Nothing about Blue Hamilton's life or music. No reliable sources.
 * 2) I searched Google, Google newspapers, Google books, Google Scholar, also NYT and I did a search "Rolling Stone AND "Blue Hamilton", Billboard AND "Blue Hamilton". Nothing. I find no information about his life or his music. As far as I can find, he and his music have not won any awards. Aurornisxui (talk) 01:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Userfy. Needs more work to be encyclopedic. Mgbo120 (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete fails GNG. The media coverage seems mostly limited to passing mentions and is WP:ROUTINE. buidhe 05:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete It doesn’t matter that “notability is not inherited” isn’t a policy... it’s an act of common sense! Trillfendi (talk) 17:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as a non-notable musician per nom. --Lockley (talk) 03:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.