Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Knights Drum and Bugle Corps


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Blue Knights Drum and Bugle Corps

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Contested PROD. No assertion of notability, no placement first, second or third in national competition. Significant independent sources do not appear to exist outside the walled-garden Drum Corps International ecosystem, other incidental mentions are insufficient to establish notability, merely supporting existence.  Acroterion   (talk)   16:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   Acroterion   (talk)   16:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:52, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: AFD is not a vote, will need to expand their comment citing relevant policies and guidelines.
 * Delete. No proper secondary sourcing here, just another organizational website planted into Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 17:17, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Bgsu98 (talk) 02:51, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep indeed, article needs work on sourcing and perhaps a less chatty tone. Admittedly the drum corps community might not be large, but this group has been around forever, so is very well known in the community. The loss of this article would not help Wikipedia in my opinion. W Nowicki (talk) 20:32, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - The article is a bit messy in the moment, but local secondary sources and a good bit of clean-up can help the article tremendously.  Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 01:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep It's not too surprising to me that a drum corp would mostly have coverage in drum corp sources, but that being said I'm sure they're reliable on that topic. - Scarpy (talk) 19:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Scarpy, the essence of the GNG is that we need independent sourcing--the DCI is not independent. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That’s not what independent means in the GNG "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent. A drum Corp magazine isn’t the the same as the blue knights drum corp. - Scarpy (talk) 04:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well,, then please cite the publications that you say are independent. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You mean sources that are not published by the Blue Knights? The last four that are not DCI.org (which is a little like the citing the MLB for information about the Rockies). - Scarpy (talk) 17:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, Scarpy, that leaves three sentences from a local TV channel, a link to the repertoire on what appears to be a fan site, and a now-dead link that in the end redirects to the same fan site. The Rockies are, of course, notable because they are a major professional organization and pass the GNG in flying colors. None of that applies here. 18:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Drmies (talk)
 * multiple means more than one. If you count those, there's three, and three is more than one. And there's many more promising sources than that. You can go through this list and nitpick if you'd like.
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 14:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.