Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bluehole Inc.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Blue hole (disambiguation). Multiple comments correctly point out that notability is not inherited and thus is not a valid reason for deletion. While a majority supported redirecting to one of the games, VDZ's comment swayed later !voters and there have been no more !votes supporting a redirect to the game instead of the disambig-page. Regards  So Why  11:33, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Bluehole Inc.

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Procedural nomination, per Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 24. Was previously redirected then restored multiple times. f e  minist  10:58, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  f  e  minist  10:59, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete & salt -- promotional with no indications of significance; persistent recreation. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:28, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, look up the news for the company, then you may realize that it is indeed a significant one. Or can you explain why it wouldn't? Thanks.prokaryotes (talk) 12:18, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Developer responsible for one of the most successful game titles this year, that is significant enough. Article need references and more content. Recent news http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/05/02/playerunknowns-battlegrounds-hits-2-million-copies-sold prokaryotes (talk) 12:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Salt Point it back to PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUND, the current reason for the flurry of activity. There are no reliable sources discussing the company itself at this time with any indepth coverage. Notability of PUBG is well established, but company's do not inherent notability from their products. Fails WP:NCORP, essentially. -- ferret (talk) 12:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect as a non-notable developer failing WP:GNG with no reliable independent in-depth sources focused on the subject, in particular WP:NCORP. The game is notable, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Company coverage is particular evident with heavily sourcing from Game designer Brendan Greene aka PlayerUnknown, part of Bluehole. Recent articles in RS discuss Bluehole revenue, charities etc. Imho, 6.5/10 keep.prokaryotes (talk) 14:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Korean article on BH http://www.4gamer.net/games/362/G036262/20161109069/ prokaryotes (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of article covering the company in foreign language. prokaryotes (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sourcing covering Brendan Greene leads to him being notable, not Bluehole. Much like Bluehole doesn't inherit notability from it's products, it doesn't inherit it from it's employees. The 4gamer article appears to basically be a press release announcing a deal to produce a game, which is covered under WP:ORGIND. -- ferret (talk) 15:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, ORGID states press releases. The problem here seems to be that a lot of coverage is in foreign language. The company is well known for games, reaching a wide audience. prokaryotes (talk) 15:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Any opinions regarding VDZ's comment?
 * Redirect - Lack of sourcing to meet the WP:GNG itself - any sources shown so far seem to focus on video games created by the company, rather than the company itself. I'd also recommend creating articles in the draft space in the future. Even if this was a notable company, its far from ready for the mainspace. There's virtually zero content. You shouldn't have entire sections that merely say "N/A", for example. Sergecross73   msg me  19:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds. As noted by others, sourcing on the company itself seems to be lacking. The suggested salting may be wise, but I won't outright vote for that as I have little experience with salted articles and thus may not have proper consideration for the consequences.--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note - While I don't really care either way whether the page itself stays or not, I don't think redirecting to PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds is proper as the developer also has another very well-known game, Tera. I noticed this article was up for deletion after browsing from the Tera page to the Bluehole page, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who's more familiar with Tera than PUBG; having the company name redirect to PUBG would be very confusing for people who aren't aware they're from the same company (which to me felt quite surprising). VDZ (talk) 23:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect - There isn't an article here, except in the games themselves. Anmccaff (talk) 03:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree with VDZ that it would be confusing to redirect the article to PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds when Tera (video game) is also an equally notable game. Maybe redirect the article to Blue hole (disambiguation) and provide there wikilinks to both games? --Mika1h (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect Despite the title being incorrect (it should actually include a comma), the entity is not notable in any way, and I doubt that the content is anywhere near encyclopedic. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 12:30, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Striking my original comment as there has been some cleanup done, and I believe that there should be enough sources to build a proper start-class article (and maybe have specific coverage pop up later): Keep. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 08:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What sources? — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * VDZ made a good point, and I approve of Mika1h's suggestion to redirect to the disambiguation page instead. Makes more sense than redirecting to either of the games, at least. Striking out that part of my vote.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:10, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


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