Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Henry Baber (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. It looks like all keep arguments have been effectively rebutted. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:07, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Bob Henry Baber
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Failed candidate for U.S. Senate and former mayor of a non-notable city. Fails WP:NPOL, WP:N and other notability guidelines for his category. Google search turns up with his impeachment from last month, but that's only one event, so it may fail WP:BLP1E. Redditaddict69 13:28, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict69  13:33, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of West Virginia-related deletion discussions. <b style="color:#3399FF">Redditaddict</b><b style="color:#339900">6</b><b style="color:#3399FF">9</b>  13:33, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. There's more than just the 2018 impeachment cited in the article. Baber is also one of the most prominent members and candidates of the Mountain Party, a major political party in West Virginia, including being its first elected official. Bitmapped (talk) 14:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment – But that doesn't demonstrate notability. An example of a similar article would be Rebekah Kennedy, the top-percentage-of-vote getter of any Green Party U.S. Senate candidacy, closed as a redirect after an AfD Discussion. This can be redirected to the WV Mountain party or merged, too. <b style="color:#3399FF">Redditaddict</b><b style="color:#339900">6</b><b style="color:#3399FF">9</b> 15:48, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete the place he was mayor of does not give him notability. Failed candidates for senate are not default notable, and the coverage does not rise to a level to justify having the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:03, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable under WP:NPOL or WP:AUTHOR. I'd be game for a redirect to the party if the party is notable enough for an article. SportingFlyer  talk  11:43, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete writes children's poetry, but not even close to passing WP:AUTHOR. Worked as college administrator. Elected mayor of a town of pop. 2,000.  Local coverage of his election and brief mayoralty.  Fails WP:POLITICIAN.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Though he's a local figure and coverage is naturally from regional sources, coverage, though some of it for small-ish events, makes him pass GNG with flying colors:, , , a particularly good profile, , also quite good, , more about the town, on floods, "high drama"!, , , , , Q&A. I concur with Bitmapped. — Hameltion (talk, contribs) 20:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The "particularly good profile" is a WP:MILL news report, the sources mentioned by User:Hameltion are event listings, and Routine campaign and political coverage. User:Hameltion, I started editing not all that long ago.  At first, it seemed to me that lots of politicians, mayors, county commissioners, heads of state and municipal departments were obviously notable because there would be many articles in the local and regional press about their policies, campaigns, and accomplishments while in office.  These people and the work they do are not only admirable, they are notable in REAL LIFE.  However, at WP we have wored out standards, such as WP:POLITICIAN to screen out and keep articles only on POLS who attain certain stipulated offices and others of truly extraordinary accomplishment attested by WP:SIGCOV in regional and national publications, bookds, acadmeic journals and, well, other things that attest to notability.  Looking at the rules is a good start, but it takes a while to figure out how they apply in practice.  I hope you'll look at some other Politician AfDs, and see that we really are trying out best, and not without reasons.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:13, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your characterization that the 2006 report that has a substantial amount about Baber as "run of the mill". I also ask that you take a look at the information in this long piece about his party, other articles during his mayoralty, and of course the ridiculously in-depth reporting about his investigation and removal from office. Coverage from local sources is not by definition trivial. I would, with some reservations, compare the media coverage of this subject to Ed Jew and the latter halves of the Greg Skrepenak and Richie Farmer articles. Hameltion (talk, contribs) 02:03, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That "run of the mill" article isn't even about Baber though, it's about the town and briefly profiles the mayor in order to flesh out the article. SportingFlyer  talk  02:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


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