Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Hope television specials


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. This list is in a weird state between "it's useless in its present form" and "it's probably notable and could be improved to be useful". I don't see consensus forming at this time, but I recommend to either improve it to make it useful, or AfD it again after some time (at least 6-12 months) to get some fresh eyes on it. – sgeureka t•c 22:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Bob Hope television specials

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A pointless list that adds nothing to the parent Bob Hope article. It doesn't explain the specials. It doesn't link to any articles for the specials. It's just a list. I would argue it's CRUFT.  True CRaysball  | #RaysUp  09:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  True  CRaysball  | #RaysUp  09:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I've added years to the article to remove the textwall feel of the article, but there is a purpose to this list as it shows the subject's breadth of specials over a number of years. Definitely an expansion candidate, but it's better than having 100+ articles where it's just a Ctrl+V stubfarm of a few synopses with changing guests.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:26, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that it could definitely be expanded on. There's a great article to be had here. But in its current state, it's a useless CRUFT list. If it were completely up to me (which it's not), I'd move it to your userspace for draft in to a proper article.  True CRaysball  | #RaysUp  19:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or draft - I have to agree with nom. This really doesn't add anything in it's current state as it's just a long list of almost identical titles with 3 sources, 2 of which are IMDB and YouTube (and the 3rd dead). In this current state it's just better to summarize it and use the lead of this article in the main one. --Gonnym (talk) 09:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. and expand. A combination or list article is the way to deal with these. They're culturally signifcant enough to be included, andprobably better not in any of the posible mroegeneral articles.  DGG ( talk ) 09:44, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 17:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I fail to see the point of this article. What information does it exactly provide about these television specials? J I P  &#124; Talk 20:34, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment agree with about being culturally significant, indeed i am reminded of point no. 5 of WP:NBOOK (pleas forgive my poetic licence:)) "Hope is so historically/culturally significant that any of Hope's works may be considered notable, but a list is fine." Coolabahapple (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia is not WP:TVGUIDE. Everything is well summarized at Bob Hope. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:28, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Entertainment-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:23, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:23, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment – In the article's current form, it's little more than formless list, so the current article is no good. However, I am quite certain the topic of "Bob Hope television specials" is independently notable. IOW, there's no way that these specials didn't receive press/media coverage either individually or in the aggregate... So, I don't know if WP:NUKEANDPAVE applies here, but I suspect there is a viable, notable article on "Bob Hope television specials" (i.e. more than what's simply at Bob Hope) to be had... It's just that the current version of this article is not that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:13, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. It should have more discussion about the specials' development and impact, but it has information that would be useful when someone with the interest to expand it comes along. WP:NUKEANDPAVE is for irreparably broken pages. Nuking this article would make it less likely for someone to expand it, not more likely. Toughpigs (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


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