Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Olinger and James Bell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 14:02, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Bob Olinger and James Bell

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Delete Merge with Billy the Kid article:''' No offense to these victims but they are non-notables per se. No particular sourcing, if any. Any salient info -- very little anyway after trimming cruft and OR -- can be transferred to Billy the Kid's article. — all salient info transferred to Billy the Kid's article Quis separabit?  18:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If you have copied material from this article to Billy the Kid, the page history cannot be deleted because that will violate WP:CWW. Correct attribution is not optional. It has to be maintained in order to comply with terms of the creative commons license that we use. James500 (talk) 14:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine, so let's do a merger, then. Quis separabit? 21:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BIO1E (twice). Cullen328  Let's discuss it  22:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Mexico-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per non-notable WP:VICTIMS of notable killers. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:48, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to Billy the Kid. These individuals satisfy GNG. A search for "Robert Olinger"/"Bob Olinger"+"James Bell" in GBooks produces more than twenty results, including, for example, dedicated encyclopedia articles: . (Inclusion in another encyclopedia is a very strong, often conclusive, indication of notability). The nature of the coverage is such that I think that if BIO1E or VICTIM are even applicable, they are satisfied. And I doubt they are even theoretically applicable, since Robert Olinger is said to have killed several men, including Frank Hill in March 1880, and is described as a "murderous cut throat" etc. So he is notable for other events as well. "Delete and merge" is not a possible outcome of AfD because it would violate WP:CWW. What would be required, as a minimum, is a history merge without a redirect. As a plausible redirect to Billy the Kid, this page is not eligible for deletion, and should not have been nominated (WP:R). I very much doubt that VICTIM is relevant to any killings that happened in 1881. VICTIM specifically does not apply to a person known only connection with an event that consists of a civil wrong or civil proceedings, which suggests it is concerned with BLP. (What other purpose could the distinction serve?) Parts of VICTIM are taken almost verbatim from BLPCRIME. Criteria 1 refers to the victim's role being "consistent with WP:BLP1E". This article is a non-BLP twice over. No one involved in any way in the killings could possibly be alive today. Whether these individuals are presented separately, or in an article on the killings, or in an article on the killer should be determined by clarity of presentation alone, as notability is not an issue. James500 (talk) 11:10, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Another alternative would be to move this article to Bob or Robert Olinger, and re-work it so that it is clearly a biography of him, as he is clearly notable. I suspect that might be the best option. James500 (talk) 11:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 08:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. --Inother (talk) 04:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * BLP1E only applies to living people. The acronym "BLP" stands for "biographies of living people". These two individuals have been dead for more than 130 years. BLP is wholly irrelevant. James500 (talk) 14:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Typo. Meant BIO1E. --Inother (talk) 20:58, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. The rubric of BIO1E seems to be in favour of redirection rather than deletion. It mandates that various types of people should be redirected but does not mention deletion. James500 (talk) 07:26, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.