Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Rupe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to The Silos. J04n(talk page) 00:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Bob Rupe

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Non-notable band member of barely notable bands. Apteva (talk) 00:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 May 10.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  01:13, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  02:13, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. I can't agree with the stated basis for the nomination: Rupe clearly passes WP:MUSICBIO #6. The Silos and Cracker were not "barely notable" bands, and he was a significant member of both, as well as being connected with a number of other notable bands, all as documented in the article and in plenty of potential sources viewable (but mostly paywalled) at GNews and HighBeam.  In my view, the only substantial reason to consider deleting this is that an IP editor has come to the page, identifying himself as Bob Rupe, has repeatedly removed content from the article, and has repeatedly marked it for deletion.  He objected to inclusion of Rupe's real name ; a few hours later he posted the following at the Help Desk: "Please delete this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rupe. I do not want to have a page of my personal life on your site. In fact, I insist it be removed."
 * I'm not unsympathetic to this: As several editors noted at the IP editor's talk page and on the Help Desk post, while the tone of his "insistence" is not calculated to win friends, under the section of our BLP policy entitled Deletion of BLPs of relatively unknown subjects, if a marginally notable "non-public figure" objects to being the subject of an article, that preference may be considered in closing an AfD where consensus is not otherwise clear.
 * On balance, I come down as follows: Rupe's music career is a subject of legitimate public interest, with plenty of coverage, and he's been connected with enough different bands that it would be problematic not to have some kind of article about him so an interested reader can identify all the bands. But I also think we should follow carefully the instruction of WP:NPF to "exercise restraint and include only material relevant to the person's notability."  I would leave out his birth name, which is sourced mainly in primary documents and seemed to be the main source of concern--and I would delete the small amount of (apparently unsourced) "where is he now" info as well.
 * Alternatively, I suppose we could consider a redirect and selective merge to The Silos, although that's not a great solution since he was in all those other bands as well. --Arxiloxos (talk) 02:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - As Arxiloxos has indicated, subject does pass notability guidelines and does not own the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert McClenon (talk • contribs)

Your opinions do not matter. I want this article deleted. I do not care to "win friends" here. I just want my privacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.180.232 (talk) 03:18, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect I'm inclined to sympathize when the subject of a biography is not a full-scale public figure and is genuinely distressed about being covered here. Certainly his birth name should be removed (and I have done so as primary-sourced and OR). Note: I've blocked several IPs and briefly blocked the subject's apparent account for removing the AfD tag, but have unblocked the account and left a note asking that they participate constructively.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:51, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - when a subject is notable for one event, it should be redirected there. Rupe is notable for three. Rupe does not own the article and really his arguments are strawman arguments as far as I am concerned; saying 'your opinions do not matter' is totally unacceptable.-- Laun  chba  ller  06:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Abstain. I am cannot judge whether he is notable. However, I believe that if the article is retained, the opening half-sentence giving his real name should be restored. It is standard for an article on a person to begin by stating their real name, and I see no reason to make an exception here. Maproom (talk) 09:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed.-- Laun  chba  ller  09:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If his real name is included, it needs to comply with WP:V, WP:RS and WP:BLP by using supporting references that explicitly make a link between the real and stage names, not by inference to copyright notices or lyrics, however obvious the inference might be.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - A full member of notable bands. It looks like it was Rupe who created the page in the first place and who has been policing it for the last 5+ years under a registered name and two IP addresses. I'm not very sympathetic when someone creates a puff article about themselves and then gets agitated when others add content they don't like, but his legal name doesn't seem to have been found in any real secondary sources. Deleting it (until/unless there are secondary sources to cite) and keeping the article seems reasonable.--Walor (talk) 17:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Good grief, you're right! What I want to say right now would get me blocked, so I won't.-- Laun  chba  ller  17:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Bob Rupe did not create this article. I agree with Acroterion, at the very least his birth name should not be allowed for the reasons stated. I would prefer however that it be deleted or redirected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funnelmastering  (talk • contribs)  13:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Why am I incredibly dubious that an account which has made no edits on pages unrelated to Rupe is suddenly coming here? Either way, you have a conflict of interest. You shouldn't be writing about him.-- Laun  chba  ller  14:32, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete & Redirect to The Silos. There are not multiple sources significantly treating of the subject; in fact detail on Rupe is minimal in the extreme. Since his stint as bassist with mid-career Cracker starts after their most notable records, and they recorded four more albums after his departure, The Silos is a natural target. With failing the GNG, a natural redirect target, & the wishes of the subject, the case that under musicbio 6 the subject "may be notable" is too weak. 86.42.74.117 (talk) 13:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete & Redirect to The Silos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.180.232 (talk) 20:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.