Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Ryan (mayor)


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The result was   no consensus. slakr \ talk / 23:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Bob Ryan (mayor)

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Seems to be a non-notable local mayor. I don't think the city of Sheboygan is large enough for its mayor to have notability. There is a major WP:UNDUE issue here with WP:BLP concerns regarding the scandals listed in the article. If it's kept, it needs to be significantly cleaned up. only (talk) 03:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:POLITICIAN and BLP concerns. - Location (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep reliably sourced, meets GNG. There are rare cases of mayors who are known for scandal after scandal is this is one of those cases. The scandals section needs to dominate this article. That's why he lost in a recall election. I think Sheboygan is large enough for its mayor to be notable. Here's an non-local newspaper article which had cited earlier in the article's history . There are many different non-local sources if you search the internet for the terms "Bob Ryan" Sheboygan such as, his drunk driving arrest after leaving office, , , on ABC News (national), and there's LOTS more.  Royal broil  13:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If the event is notable (per WP:EVENT), then perhaps this should be moved to something like 2012 Sheboygan mayoral recall election. Terry Van Akkeren should be merged there, too. - Location (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Terry Van Akkeren also served in the Wisconsin State Legislature before becoming mayor. I opposed merging the Terry Van Akkeren article into the proposed Sheboygan Mayoral Recall Election article because he had served in the Wisconsin Assembly before becoming mayor. Thank you-RFD (talk) 19:15, 16 December 2014 (UTC).
 * You are correct. I wasn't paying attention. - Location (talk) 20:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * He's more notable than the recall election. He had a scandal-filled term that went well beyond the local newspaper - it was state and national level press. He'd be notable even if he was mayor in a small community of 100 residents. I'm working on adding much more well-known sources to the article right now.  Royal broil  03:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I spent a long time citing from reliable sources. I only used major newspapers, television stations, or national sources (Wall Street Journal, ABC News, Associated Press). The exception was content about what he accomplished as mayor from a nearby small town newspaper. State sources come from 3 television / newspaper markets showing that his controversies were reported well beyond the local rags. The Daily News in the UK and Huffington Report even reported on him but I didn't consider either to be reliable. He actually had two more smaller scandals that weren't added to the article: his first scandal was a video posted to Youtube with him making oral sex jokes about his sister in law shown here from a 4th media market and allegedly more comments about oral sex and young women.  Royal broil  05:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Per Royalbroil-thank you-RFD (talk) 15:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:POLITICIAN: "A politician who has received 'significant press coverage' has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists." 1. Press coverage is almost exclusively of Ryan's foibles. This shows neither breadth nor depth of coverage. 2. References include only sources within a 50-mile radius of Sheboygan. Ergo, this guy is a sensationalistic local interest story, not a person with enduring notability. 32.218.36.158 (talk) 06:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mayor of a medium-sized town. Not notable enough. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Mayors of places of this size do not recieve notability for such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:16, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Have any of you even considered GNG? It's NOT the size of the community, it's the volume and the quality of the sources. Not local level sources, but regional and national level. There are many more newspaper articles written about this man.  Royal broil  12:31, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2014 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * keep Enough independent coverage in non-local sources. -M.Altenmann >t 18:36, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Has received significant coverage in reliable sources. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 17:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - A juicy BLP but that shouldn't affect us pro or con in terms of notability. The question at hand is whether having been Mayor of Sheboygan is sufficient for a pass per WP:POLITICIAN, which makes note of that "major local politicians" may be notable if the subject of significant external published coverage. Sheboygan's population is 49,000-and-change, right at the 50,000 threshold that I personally believe should be the cut off for autokeeping mayors. The (sensationalized) recall was big news, however, perhaps tipping the balance. I'll just leave it at that. Carrite (talk) 19:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:49, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per User:Hirolovesswords; seems like alot of coverage in RS. NickCT (talk) 23:04, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Royalbroil and Hiro. Do note that I'm a Sheboygan resident but even without that conflict that I would have deemed the subject's coverage for their various issues noteworthy, issues that thankfully do not affect our current mayor, to my relief.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Sufficiently notable. (And Sheboygan never gets tired of being fun to say.)  Pax
 * Comment - The current article is quite the attack BLP, but it appears that he is notable. Bearian (talk) 06:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - well, going strictly by the general notability guidelines and the notability policy for politicians, it seems obvious that this person is notable. But we have to take into account other policies too. The article gives undue weight to the negative aspects. Far from being written neutrally. --ceradon ( talk  •  contribs ) 02:35, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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