Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Ufer


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Bob Ufer

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Does not appear to meet WP:BCAST, as the only statements of significance appear to be of memorable broadcast moments and the founding of an insurance company. Qxukhgiels (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Also appears to fail WP:ENT as is only known locally. — X96lee15 (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Rescinding my vote based on additional information. — X96lee15 (talk) 20:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * KEEP Well he may not be known around the world he is a major figure in Michigan and other parts of the USA. With over 36 years as a public figure in Michigan makes him worthy of being here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LukeBK (talk • contribs) 13:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. There seems to be enough national coverage  of Ufer, including his obituary picked up by the Associated Press, to establish his general notability. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:NTRACK as the former world record holder in the 440 yard (quarter mile) run.  Also passes WP:GNG as a figure who has received significant coverage in the mainstream media, including national media outlets such as ESPN.com (here), The Sporting News,  Associated Press, and the Chicago Tribune including here and here. Cbl62 (talk) 16:47, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the in-depth coverage provided in several reliable sources above. Cbl, if you can find a reliable (in this case, official) source for the subject's 1942 world record in the 440-yard dash, I would be inclined to call for a "speedy keep."  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The Sporting News should be a reliable source. In its obituary for Ufer, November 14, 1981. p. 59, it says that Ufer "held the world indoor mark for the quarter-mile in 1942." Cbl62 (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the 440 record was mentioned in the AP obituary, too, but we both know how legends grow and obituaries soften reality. Honorable mentions become All-Americans, etc.; I've seen a lot of "inflation" in sports-writing, and the writers rarely check original and/or official sources.  I would trust the Big Ten and University of Michigan track & field media guides -- they should list all official records set at UM and Big Ten events.  Also, if he set an official world record at the Big Ten Conference championships, wouldn't there be contemporary newspaper coverage?  Perhaps even in national newspapers like The New York Times?  In any event, the subject clearly satisfies WP:GNG based on the several feature articles you've already found.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't find an on-line progression of the half-mile world record, but The Sporting News is pretty reliable -- not a local newspaper. Also, the United Press in this 1944 article said he remained at that time the world record holder in the 440. The Bentley Historical Library also says it here as does the Michiganensian here and The Ann Arbor News here. Cbl62 (talk) 19:00, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just did a Google News archive search and I'm finding a hodge-podge of stuff from the 1940s, more or less contemporaneous. I found an interesting discussion on the Track & Field News blogsite on point here.  We've got a record time (48.1), name of the previous record-holder, and the name of new record-holder who broke Ufer's time.  Sounds pretty credible to me, especially when combined with the modern articles that were contemporary with his death.  Part of the problem is that the International Olympics Committee and the world track body stopped recognizing non-metric records in the early 1900s, and treated American world records in non-metric distances as non-records.  I tweaked the text.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:25, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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