Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Wingo


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 17:49, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Bob Wingo

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Highly promotional article, beyond what I can fix. Vague claims to importance "helped launch", "remains committed" Jargon: "blue-chip brands", "to attract and serve". Implied claim that his ad campaign was responsible for Texas being "the top state for doing business". Most refs are incidental mentions or PR.  DGG ( talk ) 00:47, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep - On the one hand, the article is definitely filled with puffery/promotionalism, and that's a significant problem. On the other hand, the company and/or Mr. Wingo does appear to be notable.  The El Paso Times article (source #1) is quite extensive and is about the man.  As a cover story, The City Magazine article is probably pretty extensive and likely biographical, but unfortunately is not available online.  The Austin Business Journal article is extensive and is about the company.  Likewise for the Black Enterprise article.  So I guess technically both are notable...  So, the choices at current comes down to a single crappy article on two notable subjects or no article.  I'll come down on the side of a crappy article over nothing, but only weakly.  Naturally, if the article was improved, the choice would be an easier keep. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Pinging who accepted this at AfC for input. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:41, 11 January 2015
 * Keep. Here's after I initially declined it for a lack of notability, in which I was convinced that significant coverage of the subject did exist. Note that I did raise concerns about the tone of the article, after which I was assured that the article's author would "take a look regarding the tone". Having been told this, I accepted the article. Of course, the article needs a pretty major tone cleanup, but that shouldn't be a reason to delete it. APerson (talk!) 03:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have removed or replaced the vague claims as well as some superlatives. I can't stand when articles smack of PR, so by all means, please note any suggestions for further clean-up. Tone aside, Wingo has a highly notable profile in El Paso, an often overlooked city of 700K. He's gotten every major recognition from UTEP, which Washington Monthly controversially ranked ahead of Harvard. Wingo was instrumental in development of the MLK Memorial in DC, the El Paso Holocaust Museum and many other initiatives. For the Texas Economic Development Board, Rick Perry appointed Wingo president and traveled nationally and globally raising funds and recruiting business to Texas, which accounts for the growth more than any ad campaign. (Perry's economic efforts have been the subject of debate. In any case, Texas did surpass NY State as home of the most Fortune 500 companies five years after Wingo began oversight of the Economic Board) Perry also named Wingo to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board. Hopefully these facts confirm notability. Please advise on tone of current submission. Thanks so much. PS: Regarding the El Paso City Magazine, Wingo was the cover story, and  the sole focus of a five page spread. Content is available online for subscribers only, but here is a copy of the print version.  DonegalWinner (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 09:22, 18 January 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

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 * Delete. While I can see some reasons for minimal notability beyond El Paso, my strong impulse is to nuke for blatant puffery. This stuff should never rewarded. Pax 01:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr. Guye (talk) 04:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Taking the sources alone, we can judge notability based on the standards set by WP:GNG. Sources have to be reliable, independent, and significant; WP:NOTINHERITED notes that notability is not inherited. Working for a notable company, having notable clients, being part of the board of notable organisations - none of this confers notability. Passing mentions in stories about others doesn't indicate notability either - that's why GNG requires coverage be significant.  Coverage of the company may imply that it is notable; it does not imply that someone who works there, even the founder, is. All we're left with that's significant coverage, is El Paso City Magazine and El Paso Times.  The City Magaine "story" is cringeworthy promotional nonsense; it's not remotely independent reliable journalism.  So we're left with the El Paso Times story. A single story in a low circulation local newspaper is far far too little. But worse - the author of the El Paso Times article identifies himself, on his own Twitter feed, as being "Director of Policy & Programs" for the Greater El Paso Chamber of Commerce - the same organisation of which the article says Wingo is a director. So I believe there is no independent, substantial coverage in reliable sources. -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 14:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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