Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bobb'e Says


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  10:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Bobb'e Says

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Previously deleted via prod and then restored. Non-notable show; too short-lived to have gotten any press. Suggest deletion or redirection to List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:26, 29 April 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Any more opinions on this article? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:26, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- added two sources to the article. matt91486 (talk) 05:53, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The second one is completely paywalled. Could you please add a quote from it to verify how significantly it covers the show? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not have an LA Times subscription and it is not completely paywalled for me. It's a ten paragraph article. An excerpt is here, in which I've combined two paragraphs into one for condensing. "On “Bobb’e Says,” though, without the razor-sharp writing of the “30 Rock” or “Human Giant” staff, or any other actors to play off, Bobb’e flounders a bit; he’s also evidently reading from off-screen prompts, a blow to this show’s spontaneity. Nevertheless, in the narratives that explain these jokey clips, there are occasional flashes of humor. Describing a video of a lanky guy kicking a thin tree over, only to have a neighboring tree land on his head, Bobb’e J. says, “If a guy karate chops a tree in the forest with no one around, will it make a sound? Yes. It will sound like stupid!”" matt91486 (talk) 05:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. No significant coverage of this short-lived show. Isabelle 🏳‍🌈 19:30, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete went for a longer trawl, and just found glancing mentions from Hollywood Reporter, Variety, and the like (along the lines of "this show is a thing".) Nothing that meets GNG; I think if there's a notable topic here, it's the actor, not the show. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 22:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The LA Times article covers the show quite extensively, and with the Common Sense Media review (which is accepted as a RS on these topics), that does bring us to two independent substantive sources in addition to the, as you mentioned, glancing mentions. matt91486 (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources found by, whose analysis I agree with.  The review notes: "Last month, his Cartoon Network show “Bobb’e Says” (Wednesday, 8 p.m.) made its debut, an “America’s Funniest Videos"-like combination of blooper clips and “Jackass"-style stunts accompanied by voice-over commentary. In the Bobb’e J. oeuvre, this is weak stuff, more Bergeron than Saget. He probably tossed off a few episodes’ worth of chatter in an afternoon of studio work. When it’s funny, it’s largely because of anticipation: When will Bobb’e J. say something off-color? Or at least off-script? That those things don’t happen doesn’t mean that the Bobb’e J. shtick is up, necessarily; only that it has become such a fixed idea that he can hardly hope to escape it. ... On “Bobb’e Says,” though, without the razor-sharp writing of the “30 Rock” or “Human Giant” staff, or any other actors to play off, Bobb’e flounders a bit; he’s also evidently reading from off-screen prompts, a blow to this show’s spontaneity. Nevertheless, in the narratives that explain these jokey clips, there are occasional flashes of humor. Describing a video of a lanky guy kicking a thin tree over, only to have a neighboring tree land on his head, Bobb’e J. says, “If a guy karate chops a tree in the forest with no one around, will it make a sound? Yes. It will sound like stupid!”"  The review notes: "Between Thompson's grating self-satisfaction and the show's fairly monotonous content, this series -- while technically age-appropriate for teens -- certainly veers into obnoxious territory. After spending most of his life in front of the camera, Thompsons' natural ease with the spotlight is undeniable. But in this case his trademark wit and charm come across as egotism, thanks to repetitive comments like "If you want to roll like Bobb’e ... and be as cool as Bobb’e, you have to do what Bobb’e says." And if you’re tempted by the promise of funny home videos and think those segments will make up for the rest, you’ll be disappointed to discover that the show spends more time replaying each video (four to six times apiece, on average) than it does introducing new ones. Though the show's format is unique and Thompsons' advice bytes (like "Pain Is Your Fault") are sometimes dead-on given the unfortunate video clips, ultimately you’re left feeling that the lackluster content was stretched to its limit to fill each 30-minute episode." There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Bobb'e Says to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 21:36, 20 May 2022 (UTC) 


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