Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bobby Z (monster truck driver)


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The result was   keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  20:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Bobby Z (monster truck driver)

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Bobby Z seems to have been a Monster Truck driver. Overall, he does not seem to meet our notability standards. In Google News hits for "Bobby Z" + monster there seems to be two articles about him (the first two in there). Almost all the sources I see are more or less passing mentions of him (usually just his name in a results sheet). Metros (talk) 19:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom . coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  19:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete person is not notable. Spidern (talk) 20:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:BIO. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 21:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article that Eastmain found shows notability. Schuy m 1 ( talk ) 01:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added an article from the Birmingham Evening Mail as a reference. Only a preview is displayed, but the preview is enough to see that there's coverage of him. -- Eastmain (talk) 01:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that this preview of an article proves notability per WP:BIO. Metros (talk) 01:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you know if it shows notability? You can't even read the whole dang thing. Schuy m 1 ( talk ) 01:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's easy to know that the full article shows notability because of the first sentences: MONSTER Truck driver Bobby Z has an impressive pedigree when it comes to entertaining the crowds in his vehicle. Monster Mutt, with its floppy tongue and mechanised tongue and tail, has delighted audiences around the world since Bobby began driving it a couple of years ago. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 01:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep One can easily sign up for a free trial to access the Birmingham newspaper to read the full article. I've also added two additional links -- one from the Monster Jam European tour (it is in Czech, but you can easily get an English translation via Google) and one from the U.S. Air Force Recruitment Service, which used Bobby Z in a 2007 promotion (if the U.S. military knows about him and uses him for promotions, I suspect there is some notability).  As I stated in the article's Talk Page, the monster truck circuit does not attract the level of mainstream media attention of sports like baseball or basketball, so determining notability is trickier.  Within this admittedly niche orbit, it appears he has notability and is fairly well known.  Ecoleetage (talk) 01:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Niche notability is notability none-the-less. Notables in many niches have their cult followings... and monster trucks are no different. The nom may not agree, but that's what an AfD consensus is all about. And Wiki understands very well that Google hits do give notability... they are just indicators of where to look.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep in light of recent improvements, I trust that there is adequate coverage in the sources cited thus far. coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  16:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per notability shown. I have tagged the article for expansion and added a few external links that may be useful toward that end.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


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