Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bocconi Legal Papers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. After deleting will redirect to Bocconi University School of Law, if anyone wants to merge any of it I will be happy to userfy it to them. J04n(talk page) 13:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Bocconi Legal Papers

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Article was PRODded with reason: "No independent sources, not indexed in any selective major databases. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. Article creation premature". Article was deprodded by anonymous IP who in the edit summary stated that the journal is indexed in DOAJ and the Washington and Lee Library Law Journal Database. Neither of these is selective (DOAJ covers all OA journals, Washington and Lee all law reviews). Subsequently, some references were added to the article. One is an in-passing mention of a previous incarnation of the current journal (the Bocconi School of Law Student‐Edited Papers), the other an interview on a blog. The other two references are from the journal itself. In short, the PROD reason still stands, hence : Delete. (PS: a previous version of this article was speedily deleted during a previous AfD - see article talk page). Randykitty (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2013 (UTC) 1) The journal (under a previous name) is indeed mentioned in a scholarly paper, though as the only current example of a possible formula to adapt American student-edited legal publications to a European academic market. I would therefore be inclined to give rather more weight to this particular mention, especially as not all journals get discussed in other journals. The journal might have changed names for admin reasons, but I think that's beyond the point. 2) Also, I found one source (though internal to the issuing University) announcing the imminent inclusion on HeinOnline and EBSCOHost. 3) On a more general level, I am not completely clear about relying so heavily on the inclusion in a "selective" database. In particular, while it can surely be a guide, I think it could privilege subscription-based publications, which - in itself - is not something directly relevant to notability? It might be my own ignorance here, but just thought I'd flag it. All in all, I think this particular publication is somewhat in a grey area,and I would be inclined to keep, according greater weight to the scholarly mention and reducing the import of the "non-inclusion in selective databases", both for the possible bias in favor of non-open access publications and because it seems that the journal is on its way to be included in some such databases anyway. Hope this helps. Grasshopper6 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:29, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It is me who edited the entry without logging in, as anonymous IP, since I could not remember my login details (umpf!). As you can see from my profile, I originally created (about 3 years ago) an entry for this journal. That entry was nominated for deletion, incubated and subsequently incorporated in Bocconi School of Law. I did not create this new page myself, but thought I'd address some of the concerns raised by Randykitty when nominating for deletion. Here is where I feel my knowledge of this particular item can help the Wikipedia community make an informed decision:
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  19:34, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the journal is not "discussed" in that single academic paper that you mention, it was just mentioned (we call that an in-passing mention). Being included in HeinOnline or EBSCOHost is not very impressive for an open-access journal either. However, that doesn't constitute a bias against OA journals (those databases donot count very heavily for notability anyway), because more prestigious databases (like Scopus and the Science Citation Index have absolutely no barrier against OA journals. If anything, there's a bias in favor of OA journals here on WP... --Randykitty (talk) 20:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not even a journal, but a working paper compendium. Student editorship aside, Bocconi University alone must have a dozen of those, and no one cares until bona fide peer-reviewed publication.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 11:44, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Why can't it be redirected to Bocconi University School of Law? James500 (talk) 14:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect/merge to the school  Interesting publication, but I think on balance that the best verdict is Not Yet Notable individually. The merge was suggested at the previous AfD, and it should have been acted on. It's the best solution for borderline articles where there is something to merge to.  DGG ( talk ) 04:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  05:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.