Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bohdanow


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Cirt (talk) 22:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Bohdanow

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I'm quite sure this doesn't satisfy WP:GNG, hoax?  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - a simple check of WP for the Sapieha family, and also of Google for Bohdan Sapieha, would have revealed plenty of hits. If it's a hoax (why?) it's a very good one. Why not simply mark it as a stub and unreferenced instead of AfD? A polite note to the author would have been appropriate. andy (talk) 23:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTINHERITED. I googled the title of the page, and got very little amount of hits, thus I said hoax(?).  I have already notified the author of this afd.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak delete with possible merge to Ferdinand Ruszczyc, at this point. Andy's sources aren't talking about the subject of this article. There is a small town in Belarus, a much larger town in Poland, and a surname, all of the same name, but this article is talking about "a property in Belarus." Andy found a bunch of links to the family, which isn't the same thing. There are also a few to a small town and railway station in Belarus. Those articles would be fine. But a private property that shares the same name, is less clear.


 * The same editor has edited another [messy] article, Danielewicz, that mentions "In 1653 the 10,000-hectare big property of Bohdanow named after Prince Bohdan Sapieha[4] in Belarus were passed to Barbara, daughter of Prince Karzimierz Sapieha." It has a cite, but there's no link and I can't find it.


 * I did a few google book searches. Lots of links if you just search the one word, but all of them I looked at appear to be references to the Polish one, and a house which was the subject of a painting, again, in Poland. Searching for it with Belarus, a reasonable search I'd think, returns 0. I searched with the Prince Bohdan Saphieha and got 0 there too. Maybe there are sources in Russian or Belorussian. If someone with some knowledge can show those I'd change.


 * Please more careful before chastising other editors, in the spirit of WP:BEFORE. Shadowjams (talk) 08:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems that maybe the painting is a Polish painting, but it's of this property. That's kind of unclear, but this exhibit appears to be about those paintings. I don't think that makes the house notable, but I would support a merge to Ferdinand Ruszczyc, which would necessarily include discussion of a manor. Shadowjams (talk) 08:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have as yet no opinion about deletion, but would like to point out that some of the confusion above may be due to the fact that the house was in Poland before World War II but is now in Belarus. An added complication is that the nearest city, Vilnius, is now in Lithuania, so it seems that a few of the sources found by the Google Books search linked above misattribute it as being in Lithuania, presumably because the prior sources that they are based on have described it as being near Vilnius/Wilno. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment form the author

Dear all. I followed Your discussion here regarding the Bohdanow and my "messy" article regarding Danielewicz. First of all, the Bohdanow was a private property and was during the WW2 totally erazed (as most properites in Belarus and Volyn/ Ukraina - before WW2 it was Poland). But the information about the Bohdanow and its owners throught the history can be found in polish book "Dzieje rezydencji" (history of residences) of Roman Aftanazy volume 4. Its printed in 1993 in "Zaklad Narodowy im Ossolinkich". I will here pas the link regarding Bohdanow in polish where You can read about it. Ferdinand Ruszczyc (he was the owner of Bohdanow) painted Bohdanow and You should be able to find those through google (in polish)...I did! Furtheremore, i cannot see that my input on Danielewicz is "messy". I face difficulties in creating articles since im not experienced user but i will learn in time. I would appriciate help here. The "messy" part is whole polish history, all I write in my articles are 100% checked information that can be found in several books and articles. Regarding the article about Bohdanow, I just started to make this article so it will contain much more pictures and information in the future.


 * Here is the link regarding Bohdanow: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?s=5d0bc02be5d1b2ddc53d876a15940149&p=25311126&postcount=2070 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camdan (talk • contribs) 01:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Then, You cant find link about Bohdan Sapieha? You simply google and its all there! In the english article about Sapieha family Bohdan is simply missing (dont ask me why). Check folowing http://www.google.se/search?q=bohdan+Sapieha&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_sv___SE346.
 * Furtheremore You find this information about Bohdan Sapieha in polish language on Wikipedia http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohdan_Sapieha_(syn_Paw%C5%82a)


 * Also, in the information about the Sapieha family on Wikipedia (in polish) You find Bogdan Sapieha in 4th generation (4 pokolenie). Following link http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapiehowie


 * Another link that show Ferdinand Ruszczyc paintings of Bohdanow is here http://artyzm.com/list.php?lit=R
 * Here You just scroll down to "Ruszczyc, Ferdinand" and on right side u see the names of his paintings, including "Old house (Manor in Bohdanow)"
 * Would all those links be enough or do You need more? I use swedish version of google so maybee it is why I find all the information and some of You dont.
 * Finally, I would kindly ask You for help in my other article about Danielewicz. It seems that there is something missing but I do not understand what I have to do and how I have to do. If You need any assistance in matter of Polish-Lituanian/ Preussian history facts or families please feel welcome to write me. I see that i have "not signed" this post, I simply dont understand how to do that but im logged in as user Camdan. I appologize for that.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:05, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep : I feel this article should have a place here + as per Andyjsmith .. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:JUSTAVOTE, care to say way? Shadowjams (talk) 21:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Jack007 (talk) 11:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:JUSTAVOTE, care to say why?  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 20:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Notability is quite thin, but there are sources as indicated above, and I think the article can be salvaged. No harm in taking the time to make the attempt. I note, though, that if the notability for this site stems mainly from the painting, then a mention in the article about the painting itself should be sufficient. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. If really pressed, I'd tend towards a weak delete; however, I think that this article may well be one that would benefit from incubation. Anyone game? Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  15:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think incubation is an excellent idea. I'm a weak delete above. If it stays, and isn't improved, it would be a ripe candidate for another nomination, since most of the keeps here I'm reading as tenative based on its potential. Incubation would be the same thing, except it might get a little more attention. I have the somewhat larger explanation of sources above too that I think is relevant to the Painting/Manor debate. It is easy to confuse the two separate topics together. Shadowjams (talk) 21:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.