Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bohemia Interactive Simulations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Bohemia Interactive. Lourdes 17:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Bohemia Interactive Simulations

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Unnotable software company with virtually no real-world significance. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. Article was created under and remains prone to COI, while the deletion was contested by the COI editor. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 22:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 22:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Can the 3 VBS AfDs still be combined here to make one? -2pou (talk) 23:45, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would say no; all should be discussed individually to identify if any is worth keeping. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 10:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and Merge with other VSB games. No real-world significance? The games this company makes are used to train militaries across the world. If you took the time to do a google search you'd see that there are hundreds of hits that could be incorporated into the article. Now as for the individual articles for the VBS games, those could probably be redirected to this page instead. From my research VBS3 looks like the only one with maybe enough on it specifically to have its own article. Bluedude588 (talk) 16:21, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I added a few more references and will probably continue to add stuff in the next couple days. The notability of the article should be pretty obvious now. Still, merging the VBS articles into this one would make sense I think. Bluedude588 (talk) 16:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * High usage does usually not indicate notability, regardless of the field it is used in. The additions you made are good but the coverage still seems very lackluster as a whole. There is no significant coverage (more than a few by-liners) as required by GNG. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 10:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am not impressed with the article, which likely fails WP:NORG/WP:GNG, but looking at Template:Bohemia Interactive if all those games are notable, while NOTINHERITED, maybe they are notable for having developed a number of notable titles? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Common confusion; Bohemia Interactive actually belongs to Bohemia Interactive, a notable and good-article'd video game developer. Bohemia Interactive Simulations at one point spun off from this video game developer and for some reason retained the same name. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 10:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Thanks Lordtobi for clarifying this. In this case I default to my analysis of sources, which does not suggest this spin-off company is notable. At best, soft delete and redirect to parent. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Bohemia Interactive where the company is discussed in context. This company is a spinoff of Bohemia Interactive. It seems like the coverage of this company is in the context of being a spinoff, so the few sentences about it in the GA article seem of due weight. It is a plausible search term and a redirect is reasonable alternative to deletion per our policy WP:ATD. Helping readers avoid confusion between BI and BIS would be a useful disambiguation that the redirect would facilitate. -- 18:41, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , just to clarify, would you agree to have the article deleted and then recreated as a redirect? This would hinder COI editors from rolling back to older revisions easily. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 19:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect would be better than just deletion. But unless there is harmful content in the edit history, I don't see any reason to delete the history, per WP:IGNORINGATD. In particular, "this might cause a maintenance hassle" is not a good reason for deleting history. -- 20:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect Per Mark viking's reasoning. Topic seems to fail GNG/NCORP but the redirect would be valid. -- ferret (talk) 13:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge but TNT each of these individually into a new article free of COI. Bohemia Interactive Simulations, VBS1, VBS2, VBS3 are each sprinkled with some secondary sources on top of comments in each individual AfD.  The fact that the military is training with video game like software is notable as evidenced by the multiple news agencies reporting it (whichever version it happens to be).  A single VBS series article would seem logical as the general use of the software (not the versions/updates themselves) appears to be what is notable.  Perhaps there is another military video gaming trainig article out there to merge/redirect to, but I couldn't tell you where that is.  -2pou (talk) 21:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC) Actually, the company page could be redirected per Mark viking without needing to merge with the software itself. -2pou (talk) 21:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


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