Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bombadil


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep.  Citi Cat   ♫ 16:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bombadil

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band with a very suspect notability. Will (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC) The notability of this band is not in question. I'm not sure that you have an evidence against the fact that this band does indeed exist. They are signed to Ramseur Records. Do some research before trying to delete this page. ""User:katchanra22"" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.183.206.58 (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:MUSIC.  ALKIVAR &trade; &#x2622; 16:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

We should not even be having this debate. Why is this article even being considered for deletion??? Katchanra22
 * The existence of the band isn't what's being debated here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. Suspect notability is right, this one does not meet WP:MUSIC guidelines.   Bur nt sau ce  17:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

But they have been covered in a ton of publications, so I think they do meet criteria for notability. If you check their website you would see this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.29.137 (talk) 18:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

hi, full disclosure, I am a member of this band. just want to add a little more information to the discussion. vis notability criteria for musicians 1, bombadil has been featured in some newspapers (The Independent Weekly, The Salisbury Post, Knoxville Daily Times, as well as mentioned in Magnet Magazine and NPR online. as far as #4 goes, bombadil has played / has shows scheduled in 12 states in the USA. bombadil also appeared on a segment of The State of Things, a program on North Carolina Public Radio. I hope the page stays intact; whatever happens we respect the will of the community. Bryanrahija 05:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

This band clearly meets guideline number 1 and 4 of the WP Music guidelines. This information is verifiable. The band's website links to all of the publications that have written articles about the band.Jamisys 04:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep


 * Comment - a search for "Bombadil" on OiNK returns no results, not even in the request section. OiNK, generally, is a good way of determining notability, and I can think of one band which is requested and doesn't have an article. Will (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment-I don't see how OiNK can be a determining factor here, since there are two guidelines that are clearly met. I am not personally familiar with that particular website, but I am familiar with npr.org. I believe that to be a credible reference. Jamisys 04:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment-I researched OiNK. I would hope that we would not delete the Bombadil article due to the fact that none of their songs have been stolen by mp3 pirates using that bit torrent.Jamisys 04:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep
 * I am an arts reporter for the Salisbury Post where my primary responsibility is to write about arts and entertainment in the Charlotte/Salisbury region of N.C. After I had written an article about Ramseur Records artists The Avett Brothers, I listened to other bands managed by Dolph Ramseur, and finding the music of Bombadil particularly intriguing, I sought them out for an interview. This resulted in a full article about the band in the Feb. 1, 2007 edition of our newspaper’s TimeOut! entertainment magazine. In researching my article, I was able to easily find numerous sources about their music and background. Our staff has noted that Bombadil has developed a fan base around Charlotte, and so we have continued to report their performances when they travel to this area. They are a hard-working, well-traveled group. We at the Salisbury Post regard Bombadil as an up-and-coming band of remarkable talent and we will continue to report about them to our readers. Musettamom 03:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - not on AMG either... Will (talk) 11:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

'''According to Wikipedia's criteria to determine notability, a band only has to meet one of the 10 criterion listed. Bombadil meets three of these:'''

'''1. It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.
 * This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries'''

Please visit www.bombadilmusic.com or www.ramseurrecords.net to review most press coverage for Bombadil.

2. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country, reported in reliable sources.

Bombadil has toured both nationally and internationally. If you need this to be verified, please contact Stephanie at Ramseur Records (contact info can be found on www.ramseurrecords.net). They are also signed to New Frontier Touring; a company that books The Avett Brothers, Riders in the Sky, Darrell Scott and a number of other notable acts.

3.Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

The mayor of the city of Durham, NC declared September 7th, 2007 Bombadil day because "Bombadil, a music group from Durham, NC have been playing their own unique form of music with shades of folk, rock-n-roll, ragtime, classical and indie-rock and Whereas, this form of music is what the band Bombadil considers to be true in artistic spirit and Whereas, Bombadil is honored to represent the city of Durham, NC while they continue to provoke thought and change perceptions of music through touring and album releases..."

If you would like to see a copy of the official proclamation, again, please contact Stephanie at Ramseur Records.

Clearly, since Bombadil meets not one, but three of the criterion outlined in order for them to be considered notable, this debate should be closed. I did not see "AMG" or "OiNK" anywhere on that list, so it shouldn't even be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RamseurRecords (talk • contribs) 13:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep-They are on iTunes. Will, correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me that we have proven that the band meets the criteria for multiple reasons.  We have shown that they have been covered in multiple publications.  We have asked that you look at their website for links to all of those sources.  Now all you keep doing is pointing out which publication they aren't mentioned in.  I move to speedy keep this article due to the fact that the band's notability can not be questioned due to the publications that have written about them, and the fact that they have toured multiple states.  I believe the article about Bombadil on npr.org should be enough to prove their notability.`User:jamisys

It would appear as though we have reached an agreement in keeping this article now that the notability of the band has been proven. If not, please explain. I would like to have this discussion closed asap. 74.183.206.58 17:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Deletion discussions typically last the full five days, unless there is an overwhelming consensus per WP:SNOW. That said, we're on the fifth day, so an admin will probably be by in the next 24 hrs or so to close this one. -- Kesh 18:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.