Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bonaire national football team results (unofficial matches)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. There have been no further comments since the last relist, indicating the discussion has run out of steam. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Bonaire national football team results (unofficial matches)

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

Basically, a list of friendly matches between neighbouring very small islands (Bonaire has some 20000 inhabitants), not between nations but between parts of the same nation. No evidence of notability. Fram (talk) 07:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football, Lists,  and Caribbean. Fram (talk) 07:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. Wikipedia editors maintain a large sourced collection of national team match results from hundreds of countries around the globe, including official and unofficial matches, with an aim for completeness. There is nothing special about this one aside from the colonization factor raised in the nom. Deleting a part of it would be counterproductive, see WP:SSE and Gibraltar national football team results (unofficial matches), Greenland national football team results (unofficial matches), Hong Kong national football team results (unofficial matches), Kosovo national football team results (unofficial matches), etc &mdash;siro&chi;o 08:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * So, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The "aim for completeness" in sports articles has been used as an excuse for many articles which are no longer automatically accepted, be it Olympians, cricket players, international footballers, ... and all discussions about these topics have indicated that completeness is not a reason to create or keep articles if the subject isn't notable. Perhaps these other articles need deletion as well, perhaps they are notable, I haven't checked them as their status is not relevant for this AfD. Fram (talk) 09:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It very well could be that none of these articles about unofficial matches for small national team need to exist, but that discussion is indeed relevant to this AfD. There's a risk of reinforcing systemic bias in Wikipedia by picking and choosing which of this type of article to delete. If we delete piecemeal without considering the ramifications across the encyclopedia, it also becomes harder for editors who work on such articles to improve the way the information is organized. For example it may be appropriate to merge this into Bonaire national football team results. But, then should all parallel articles be merged in a similar way? If not, what would be the criteria? It's difficult to know for those of us who don't work on them.
 * Also, the comparison to athlete BLP articles doesn't quite apply regarding OSE, because there are indeed a relatively limited number of national teams as compared to individual athletes.
 * It may be appropriate to raise the general concern about such articles with WikiProject Football. &mdash;siro&chi;o 09:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. I'm going to repost the answer I gave to user Fran on my page:
 * "Hello there.
 * The article was created separately precisely because it includes matches while Bonaire was not yet a member of CONCACAF, so they are not "Full A" matches.
 * The case is basically the same with Kosovo and Gibraltar, which, like Bonaire, only joined into a confederation in the past decade, and before completing membership, there was only playing against smaller islands and clubs."


 * What motivated me to create this page in question is the lapse of matches that exists since Bonaire established its national team until it was accepted as a member of CONCACAF. The other matches (mostly against Aruba and Curaçao) have been added as additional information was available on the World Football Elo Ratings. I undestand the WP:SSE politcs, but because it is one of the last established national teams (created in the last decade), I thought it was pertinent. Thank you all for your attention and good contributions. Svartner (talk) 18:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 19:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - NOTSTATS/NOTDIRECTORY. No, we don't need a history of every unofficial game played between minor islands. GiantSnowman 10:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * These matches weren’t random friendlies between islands. A lot of them were selection matches for the National team. Bonaire usually finished last in these tournaments. As a result there was only one Bonaire player in the National team most of the time. Cattivi (talk) 11:19, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This list seems to be incomplete. 2 More in 1978 Qualification for Medellín 1978. 1978 Central American and Caribbean Games is also missing several other sports. Cattivi (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with GS plus most of that article is uncited. Closer should consider merging with Bonaire national football team results as other similar articles include matches from before their continental or FIFA affiliation eg- American Samoa national football team results. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as per Svartner DimensionalFusion   (talk)  20:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Discussion of sources is needed. In particular, claims of unreferenced and potentially unverifiable information need to be addressed, as the keep argument at this point is that this and other similar article comprise a useful primary source by providing a complete account of the sport. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 02:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge with Bonaire national football team results. There is some usable information here but this doesn't need its own article. It doesn't meet GNG on its own and the article contents can serve their purpose elsewhere. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.