Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bond, Schoeneck & King, PLLC


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 17:17, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Bond, Schoeneck & King, PLLC

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Yet another non-notable law firm; yes, it and its lawyers have won non-notable industry awards, but so have dozens of other lawyers and firms. Fails WP:CORP. ukexpat (talk) 16:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  18:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

 --Elvey (talk) 02:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - does not appear to meet standards of WP:CORP. Eddie.willers (talk) 18:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not demonstrably notable; not even a close call based on what's in the article.
 * Keep per my standards for lawyers. Several of the partners and counsel are notable. For example, Catherine Richardson was the first female president of the New York State Bar Association. Terry O'Neil is a top labor lawyer.  John A. Miller is an expert in school governance. Arthur Siegel is a well-known ambulance chaser, and very good at it.  James E. Wilber was a partner, but now semi-retired in Florida, was a well-respected appellate attorney who argued many important cases.  I could go on and on.  This is one of the largest law firms in Upstate New York. Of course it's notable. Bearian (talk) 18:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. Richardson also served in many other capacities and won many awards. Bearian (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  02:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * P.S. Bond, Schoeneck was, as of 2012, the 202nd largest on the List of largest U.S. law firms by number of lawyers, source here. Bearian (talk) 20:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * According to my reckoning, only Dewey & LeBoeuf and Boies, Schiller & Flexner, both of which have offices in Albany, New York along with Bond, Schoeneck & King, are bigger. Bearian (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * So where do we draw the line - fifth biggest, tenth?--ukexpat (talk) 20:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, fifth sounds good. This firm is one of the top three or four, both in terms of size and reputation, in Upstate NY, an area of at least 3 million people. Bearian (talk) 19:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Full disclosure, I was considering closing this discussion, and would have done so as delete. However, my practice is to first read the discussion, then the article, then research if I need to. This technically doesn't meet WP:Corp, but to me law firms and other professional associations are different - they generally don't engage in activity as a discrete organization, but rather they act through their members. For this reason,I think Bearian's alternate standards are reasonable in this case. I further note there's a degree of notability reflected from these articles from the world of American football here and here - two different partners from the firm are mentioned in different articles about sport teams that have gotten in trouble, both noting the firm has special expertise in this area. In all, it feels like this is more than a run of mill firm. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  13:01, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
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