Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bond 25


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete and redirect to James Bond in film. There is clear consensus here that the topic is too speculative for a standalone article at the moment.  Hut 8.5  20:44, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Bond 25

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Delete/salt and redirect to James Bond in film. It clearly fails WP:NFF since filming has not begun. Point #5 of WP:CRYSTAL states "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors ... short articles that consist only of product announcement information are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic". Most of what is in the article at this point is a mix of Eon announcements and unsourced speculation, especially in the Lead (title, singer, etc.) BilCat (talk) 15:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect to James Bond in film (Are we only having this conversation because an IP decided to edit war to re-open a previous redirect?) Funnily enough I had the same conversation with and  on the Talk:Spectre (2015 film) page on ostensibly the same matter, and we came to the same decision about a redirect.
 * We had exactly the same discussion for the last film and the one before that. It's partly because the numbering is always suspect (this will be the 27th Bond film to be made, it's the 25th Eon film) but mostly per WP:NFF: "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles". On all the previous Bond films I've worked on (the last 3 or 4), we've waited until the press conference that launches the name and the main actors, before we launch the page with the correct name. - SchroCat (talk) 15:34, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, the page was first restored by a registered user, and then by an IP (possibly the same user). Rather than edit war, I decided an AFD was warranted, especially as it will allow future restorations to be eligible for CSD. - BilCat (talk) 15:49, 29 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect. Nothing has really happened on it yet. The whole article is just a bunch of announcements along with some speculation. And while the next James bond film may seem like a sure thing the series has had hiccups in the past, with the series being put on hiatus in the early 90s. So I agree with SchroCat: wait at least until it gets a title, and then create the article if there is sufficienct encyclopedic content. Betty Logan (talk) 15:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect: half the article is speculation; the other half appears to be original research. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect: I agree. Wait at least until the film is titled and starts filming. SonOfThornhill (talk) 23:14, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect fails WP:NFF; until filming is confirmed to have begun and the title is revealed. The redirect should also be fully protected to prevent further premature article creation. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect As with the consensus, I believe it fails WP:NFF due to the fact that it is probably in pre-production and is frankly too far in the future to be certain if the movie will continue. In addition, the movie has no official title as of 29 August 2017 which makes the article completely unworthy of its own article. It is just a project name. Wait till the movies is shooting as confirmed and enough hard evidence on it notability comes up. For now, it is a future movie without a proper name. Dictonary1 (talk) 00:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comments - Oh dear! The creator also created Draft:Shatterhand, which has now been moved to mainspace as Shatterhand (film)! I'm not touching it. - BilCat (talk) 04:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Draft:Bond 25 also exists, and predates all these other versions. - BilCat (talk) 05:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. I've moved Shatterhand back to Drafts with a note on the talk page. If it is moved back across I'll nom for deletion and link it to this discussion. – SchroCat (talk) 06:04, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * @ &mdash; I'd send Shatterhand (film) to WP:RFD. It's a speculated title and they're a dime a dozen&mdash;I remember "The Emerald Sphere" being reported as a working title for what became Quantum of Solace. The only source I can find "reporting" Shatterhand is The Hindustan Times, and if production of Skyfall taught us anything it's that they're extraordinarily good at publishing misinformation. Also, I'd stop editing the Bond 25 article. The more crap we leave in there, the more likely it is to be deleted. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.