Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bonkuy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  00:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Bonkuy

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The word bonkuy means bank in Farsi, so it is highly likely that these -created geostubs are actually banks and not villages. The dab page itself is also entirely WP:PTM, suggesting that Carlos was also very loppy in creating the Iran placename dabs.

–LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC) I also discovered the article Binak, whose full name Bīnak Kūh-e Bānk is probably of a bank as well. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 01:05, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Bonkuy-e Amiri
 * Bankuy-e Ashayir Dahaneh Qalehha
 * Bankuy-e Ashayir Kol Chah
 * Bonkuy-e Ashayir Miraki
 * Bonkuy-e Ashayir Shaban Kareh
 * Bonkuy-e Bagdali
 * Bonkuy-e Chahar Boneh Cheh
 * Bonkuy-e Dangzalu Already at PROD
 * Bonkuy-e Gholam Hoseynlu
 * Bonkuy-e Hasanlu
 * Bonkuy-e Hemmatlu
 * Bonkuy-e Heydari
 * Bonkuy-e Heydarlu
 * Bonkuy-e Jafari
 * Bonkuy-e Kazemi
 * Bonkuy-e Khalili
 * Bonkuy-e Mokhtari
 * Bonkuy-e Nosrati
 * Bonkuy-e Qarbani
 * Bonkuy-e Rahimi
 * Bonkuy-e Rajabi
 * Bonkuy-e Sadeqi
 * Bonkuy-e Shobani
 * Bonkuy-e Sohrab Khanlu
 * Bonkuy-e Soleymani
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Finance, Geography, Disambiguations,  and Iran. –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have also PRODded the aforementioned article and Beynak-e Olya. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete all spurious creations by this editor. Mccapra (talk) 01:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong delete all, I guess it's not just the wells, then. — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Big waste of community time. Fad Ariff (talk) 12:05, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , بانک bānk means 'bank', but in these titles the term is a different one: بنكوي bonkūy. What does that mean? Uanfala (talk) 13:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ask a Persian speaker, not me. Google Translate and a few foreign-language queries seems to suggest banks. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, we could do with input from a Persian speaker. But until then, I can't find anything reliable that connects the term of the dab page with banks. Banku means 'cotton seed' according to this dictionary (I don't know if this is the same as bonku, and there's no separate entry there for the form with the suffix -y, which I imagine could likely be an izafat marker). Uanfala (talk) 13:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Is Sheffield a field, Bakewell a well, and Clydebank a bank? Also bank in the nomination links to a type of business usually found in urban areas, whereas these are in rural districts, at the locations of villages or hamlets for which no other name is known. https://www.isna.ir/news/1400102316925/%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84-%DB%B1%DB%B5%DB%B5%DB%B0-%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B4%D8%A8%DA%A9%D9%87-%D9%85%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA mentions Bonkuy-e Sadeqi (and Bonkuy-e Sheybani, which is probably the same as Mazraeh-ye Baqr Sheybani, an article deleted because it was assumed to be a farm). Peter James (talk) 20:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can find a single reliable source that describes any one of these "villages" in depth, I will happily rescind my delete vote. Thanks — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 100% agree here. Even if an Iranian news story mentions one of these places in passing, this is still a long, long way from showing the WP:GEOLAND#1 or WP:GNG pass needed to keep the article. Let's remember that WP:GEOLAND#1 requires evidence of legal recognition, which a simple mention in a news story can never confer. FOARP (talk) 10:01, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also a similar mention of Bonkuy-e Jafari at https://www.irna.ir/news/84316786/%D8%B2%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B4%D8%A8%DA%A9%D9%87-%D9%85%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%DB%B2%DB%B3-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3-%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%87-%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%AA. Peter James (talk) 19:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Another passing mention. Not evidence of legal recognition. Both Jafari and Shebani are apparently names so it makes perfect sense that a bank and a farm would have names like that. Particularly saying that this abadi is within Khorama city also casts doubt on it being an actual village. FOARP (talk) 21:01, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's in a rural district, not a city. And they are mentioned in a list of villages. Peter James (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Khorama definitely is a city - look at it on the map. The term used is abadi, so not necessarily rural villages. And again, where is the notability pass under any of our guidelines? FOARP (talk) 05:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The source says Khorama (or Kherameh), but from the context (and the articles about the places) it's clear that the county is intended, not the city. Peter James (talk) 14:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The article appears to say, again based on machine translation, "Khorameh city", so again, it is not clear why you are saying that it can only be talking about the county. FOARP (talk) 11:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete All - In reality, the reason why people are grouping these failing articles by name is that at least where the name appears to indicate that the place is something other than a village, then the keep !votes of people who think that any village of any kind should be kept, regardless of how bad the sourcing is, can be avoided. The truth is that even for places that appear to be villages in Iran, we just don't have reliable sourcing in our articles showing this because all of them were created based on the Iranian census which does not distinguish between "real" villages and places that are just banks, wells, pumps, etc. In this case there is a good reason based simply on the names to believe that these are not villages, still less WP:GEOLAND#1 passing villages since there is no evidence of legal recognition, still less any place that would ever be notable enough for a WP:GNG-passing article. Reviewing the articles I did not see any that had any location data that would enable people to better identify what they are even talking about. We can argue what exactly names like "بنكوي عشايردهنه قلعه ها" actually mean, but the only source I have to hand is Google translate which tells me it's talking about a bank, and Google Translate is at least a better source than Carlossuarez46 who apparently did not speak Persian - until a Farsi speaker says otherwise I am OK to assume these are banks. FOARP (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * When I input بنكوي عشايردهنه into Google Translate, what I get is "Bankoi of the Dahneh nomads". بنكوي  on its own is translated as "banking", but that appears to be  instance of liberal autocorrection (hints: click on the translation: you see a list of Farsi words translated back, but none of them are the same as the one you've input; also, no other dictionary seems to have this word). Also, if all of these places are really banks, then why does the census record hundreds of families living in each? It should be obvious by now that this nomination rests on a simple misinterpretation of a placename element. Uanfala (talk) 10:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Uanfala From experience with Chinese (which I do at least read/write to a reasonable though far from native degree of fluency from living in CN and TW) Google Translate doesn’t list all the possible translations for a word that it has in its system. But even if this is an incorrect translation, this clearly isn’t a WP:Geoland#1 pass since there is no evidence of legal recognition (abadis are statistical units of the census, not communities as such) and with that everything falls.
 * As for why the Iranian census records a population for it, do we really have to repeat for the millionth time that what that means is that the people were recorded as living near a reference point, and not necessarily in it? Sorry if I sound frustrated here but this has been litigated again and again at AFD and I thought perhaps you might have seen one of the many other AFDs and other discussions on this topic. This is the reason why there are so many pumps, wells, bridges, farms, shops, factories etc etc etc listed as abadi. This is why it is very possible that there is no village at this location with this name - either it may be part of a larger community (eg a neighbourhood), or it may be an aggregate of more than one community, or it may be a disparate collection of unrelated houses, or it may be a single village having a different name. Without anything to actually substantiate that there is a legally-recognised community with these names then the whole lot simply falls. FOARP (talk) 13:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in this discussion to suggest that these abadis are of the same type as the ones that got deleted previously. If anyone has looked for sources and found none, then that would be an argument for deletion. However, that's not what's happening here. The only deletion rationale so far appears to be the observation that the names of these places have a component that Google autocorrects to the word for bank, and that's not a valid rationale. Uanfala (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Once it became demonstrated that there is no difference between reference-point abadis and other abadis in the census, the WP:Burden shifted to people who wanted to keep these articles to demonstrate that they should be kept. I’ve spot-checked a few of these and found nothing. Finding a bare mention in a news story is not sufficient to meet WP:Geoland#1 either. FOARP (talk) 20:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If there's a proposal for the deletion of all abadi articles, that would be worth discussion. But this here is not it. This is an attempt to delete four dozen articles about apparent rural settlements on the surreal misunderstanding that they're somehow articles related to banks. Uanfala (talk) 21:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Uanfala Honestly I think that we’ll get to the deletion of all of  Carlossuarez46’s Abadi articles that haven’t been improved by anyone else eventually. This is because even deleting them in blocks of dozens like this takes way too much community time. We’ll also get on to Mr Blofeld’s mass-created “village” stuff based on GEOnet Names Server that hasn’t been improved by anyone else as well.
 * For the time being, though, and until it is clear that the community is going to accept a block-deletion like that, picking the low-hanging fruit like this makes sense. But “why are you deleting this and not that” is ultimately just a WP:WAX argument. FOARP (talk) 05:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete none of these cite a reliable source which can be used to verify the subject's existence, and the burden of proof for these is on those who want to retain the content. A listing in the Iranian census is not evidence that the subject exists because the Iranian census frequently lists entries which are not populated places. Some of them cite the GEOnet Names Server, but this is not a reliable source either. Even if a source does exist WP:GEOLAND only grants near-automatic notability to legally recognised populated places, and I don't think an entry in the Iranian census counts for this. Populated places which aren't legally recognised have to meet the WP:GNG, and these clearly don't.  Hut 8.5  18:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all - There is no evidence that these are notable populated places. The census is not a reliable source for this as it lists census tracts which were designated for the purpose of counting people, not officially recognized places. –dlthewave ☎ 03:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)


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