Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Born a Champion


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 03:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Born a Champion

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Recently created article that currently has a draft Draft:Born a Champion that was denied WP:AfC BOVINEBOY 2008 13:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  14:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Coverage promoting a not yet released movie is insufficient to show either WP:GNG or WP:NFILM is met. Papaursa (talk) 21:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: It looks like this was filmed under the name "Mickey Kelley" so I'll see if there's any production info out there to justify this meeting NFF. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I was able to pull up enough to put together a production section but it's still relatively light coverage-wise, which is a little surprising given the talent involved here. I suppose that if this is deleted any changes should be merged into the AfC draft. It's likely that this will gain the extra needed coverage once it releases via reviews and whatnot, but right now I'm kind of undecided on the notability here as far as NFF goes. My concern is basically this: there's enough to where this could probably squeak by with a NFF keep since there's coverage of production, however because there's little coverage of production I'm concerned that this may get passed over as far as reviews go - which would pose an issue with NFILM after the release date passes. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * My concern here is not meeting WP:NFF but the fact that there is already a working draft on the topic. If anything, that article should be published through WP:AfC as it has a longer edit history and will also credit the original edits. It is not appropriate for editors to create articles that get to live on when other editors are working through the article creation protocols imo. BOVINEBOY 2008 11:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Bypassing a declined AfC submission (almost certainly unknowingly, in this case) is not on its own a rationale for deletion.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 01:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – Draft:Born a Champion has precedence, so if it qualifies as a mainspace topic article, the draft is the one that should be moved to mainspace over this later version. Aside from that, I am concerned about the level of coverage here – nothing about this film from Variety, The Hollywood Reporter or Deadline Hollywood . So maybe leaving as a draft is the correct call for right now. Add: OK, there's one article from Deadline about the film under its original title "Mickey Kelley" – . But the current mainspace article still looks like a "cut-and-paste" job of the original Draft, so if anything belongs in mainspace it's the draft, so my vote does not change. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 04:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete only because of WP:NFF; should be an article once movie is released. ~EdGl talk 20:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.