Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Botchi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Botchi
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This article makes absolutely no sense. It is a collection of various terms in Japanese that regard loneliness and is not actually any discussion of anything beyond a vague meaning of the words. Several of the sources cited are either not working or are not reliable sources, consisting of blogs and random word searches in a search engine. There was a previous AFD on this that came up as no consensus because of apparent confusion that this term is even remotely studied, which does not appear to be the case. — Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 10:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: As per nominator. I added a link to the old discussion for reference above (I hope that was OK). Note that the linked ja:WP page is a DAB which says basically that botchi is Internet slang for "loner". The article is a series of (somewhat incoherent) anecdotes about people eating in toilets and the like. I am sure such problems exist, but there is no evidence that this is "unique to Japan", so no reason to use a bit of Japanese slang as the subject title. A properly researched article (not a foreign language student essay) is conceivable, but would surely hardly benefit from anything here. Imaginatorium (talk) 11:38, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is basically WP:SYNTH and reads like a personal essay by the author. Shii (tock) 13:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Using the above logic, then the term "selfie" should also be deleted from Wikipedia. I don't think the term being used as slang is grounds for deletion, especially given the sociological implications of the terminology in Japanese society. 130.54.130.246 (talk) 04:49, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Previous discussion of deletion was overwhelmingly for keeping the article: 130.54.130.233 (talk) 05:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This is simply not true. There were 3 Deletes, 2 Keeps, and me; I made a couple of comments, and think the article would be better deleted, so it is possible to claim that there was a slight leaning towards Keep, but that is all. Indeed selfie really adds nothing encyclopedic to human knowledge, but WP can be indulgent, and since this term is in use in English there is a reasonable expectation that it will be a fair reflection (ouch!) of the term and phenomenon. More below. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: botchi could certainly have an entry at Wiktionary, but it would need to get the origin and definition right, neither of which happens here. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. As before, the article is still a rambling essay pieced together from various snippets found on the web (i.e. WP:SYNTHESIS). --DAJF (talk) 06:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment . (Sorry: I forgot that this time I did already vote 'delete') The article is about a Japanese slang term, ぼっち which means 'lone(r)'. Analysis:
 * History: Could conceivably be the basis of an article about "The Loner Phenomenon in Japan", but not clear it is really any different from anywhere else. Remember that Japanese sources are desperately keen to remind themselves of the uniqueness of Japan.
 * Opinions of academics: chitchat from someone who works in a university, of no consequence. It actually seems to contradict the above, because it claims that "they" (which people exactly) want to have friends, and ... "are scared of eating lunch alone."
 * The rest is a random collection of word glosses
 * Botchi-meshi: loners eat alone
 * Comyu-shō: loners have communications problems, with glosses of "communication disorder" which we are told is different
 * Botchi-seki: there are places where loners can eat alone
 * Kodokushi (孤独死）: people dying alone. Totally unrelated
 * In short, there is (almost) nothing here. en:WP is an encyclopedia in English, and should have titles in English, unless there is a very clear reason to do otherwise. Yes, writers of popular articles, and academics too sometimes like to show off, but WP is here to be accessible, not to show off. There is no reason to have an article entitled 'Botchi'. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't make a second delete !vote.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 08:21, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete – per this could plausibly be an entry in Wiktionary. There is also a place for essays on the history and usage of words, but it doesn't seem encyclopedic. An encyclopedic article should be able to survive renaming, and I don't think this one could. – Margin1522 (talk) 14:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
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