Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Botsina


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The result was   transwiki to Wiktionary. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Botsina

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While I have been informed that there are sources on this topic, GNews and Google in general come up dry (of the first 30-40 sources, I get nothing apparently relevant except redirects to "botsina.com"; most hits are plays on "bots in a [something]"). I was referred to four sources by another user and told there were lots of them, but of those I was referred to, one didn't include the word, the second was behind a password (and therefore non-verifiable), and the other two included mentions only in passing as far as I can tell. Of the sources offered on GScholar, only one or two were related to the article topic. Most had to do with an "Alexandria Botsina", a Russian scientist or professor who published a few papers, and another one with a simular last name. Thus at most one or two sources exist as far as I can tell, and these are brief mentions, not in-depth discussions from my reading. I would submit that while the concept might have broad discussion, the term at the very least doesn't seem to. Tyrenon (talk) 01:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Bear in mind that it's not an English word, and likely would not generally be discussed in English language papers, or even be written in Latin characters. I suspect you need a Yiddish library to check through to establish anything with regard to notability. That said, the page is correct in what it says. The word 'botsina' is not far off a title or honorific, and whilst it's relatively hard to find references which explain the term, it's easy to find ones which use it.


 * Try: [ botsina -"botsina.com" -"botsina.org" -"A.Y." ] as the search terms and you find more relevant results.
 * Link - that one might be needed in the article.
 * http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2004/1037111.htm


 * Should be a keeper in my book, but needs working on. I'm afraid I don't know enough about the subject to help on that front. 92.234.8.173 (talk) 04:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Josh


 * Weak Keep. Disclosure: I removed the ProD tag.  There appears to be lots of sources, both at Google scholar and books on the Kaballah.  The problem with this, as with many areas of esoteric knowledge, is that it relies on oral tradition that was not written down until recently, so few reliable, NPOV sources exist. I'm also far from an expert on the topic. Bearian (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd agree to keep if I could find more than passing references. That is a problem with this tradition, I'll agree.Tyrenon (talk) 05:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak Keep: I'd support sending this to the Wiktionary. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to redirect the article there?Tyrenon (talk) 16:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wiktionary. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Transwiki' Move article to Wiktionary. Mention, with references, on Shimon Bar Yochai.  Click23 (talk) 16:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.