Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bouygues Controversy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Bouygues. Spartaz Humbug! 20:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Bouygues Controversy

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This appears to be a single-sided, inflammatory article created simply as the editor was unable to add this information to the article on the company itself. I *do* believe that, given the references, some of this information *could* be useful in the Bouygues page itself, however only if approached from a neutral standpoint.  Nik the  stoned  12:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  —  Nik  the  stoned  12:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  —  Nik  the  stoned  12:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Smerge interesting and sourced; support the incorporation of this information in Bouygues (after suitable editing). Yunshui (talk) 12:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkmenistan-related deletion discussions.  — —Tom Morris (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Note the editor who created this page appears to have POV issues; if my interpretation of their use name is correct eg User talk:Antibashist ="anti" + "bash" (from Türkmenbaşy "bashi") + "ist" an in leftist etc. (Is that a fair comment?)
 * I've already added a reference to the proliferation of turkmen contracts in the Bouygues article - that is clearly citable.
 * One part I think might/should be mentioned an am willing to add to the bouygues article is the bit about the http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,4565c2252c,4565c25f389,4b87865ec,0.html - which comes from what I would consider a neutral source - however it needs further information to actually link it with bouygues work.
 * The main argument appears to be based on leaked diplomatic cables from USA diplomats - it would be important for someone to link to this, (and tell me/us if these are considered reliable).
 * The article appears to be conflating two issues -
 * alleged corruption relating to building contracts for companies operating in Turkmenistan
 * evictions causing concern amongst human rights bodies and other western liberal organisations eg http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1075993.html, http://www.hlrn.org/img/violation/TurkmenistanEviction.pdf etc
 * Both seem to me to be possible articles, or article sections. Are there any wikiprojects that could help with this eg WikiProject:Human Rights ?
 * I really think that this is a Turkmenistan issue, and should be dealt with primarily on a suitable Turkenistan page. There is Human rights in Turkmenistan but I couldn't find a suitable place for corruption within Category:Corruption - Corruption in Turkmenistan is clearly a valid topic to cover, as is Foreign investment in Turkmenistan  . I just think it has been done wrong here.
 * Summary : merge somewhere / bring lack of proper coverage of topic to relevent editors attention
 * Imgaril (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge into Bouygues and/or other Turkmenistan-related page(s). The material obviously doesn't belong in its current form.  Not only does it violate WP:NPOV, but it provides absolutely no context for the reader (see WP:PCR); I initially had no idea what or who "Bouygues" was from reading about his/her/its "controversy".   Rich wales (talk · contribs) 01:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge I was initially dismayed by Imgaril's revert, but didn't have time to rehash this info - these are well known accusations in France that Bouygues has 'dodgy' business links/contracts with Turkmenistan. After reflection, apparently there are some POV issues, but a shortened form of this info should appear in the article IMO. And I could look around to find some French sources to back up what's being said if anybody needs a hand.  Captain Screebo Parley! 21:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Bouygues and address the issue there neutrally. I don't say merge because the text is not useable in this form.  Sandstein   06:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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