Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bowie Ibarra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Notability not asserted (unverifiable, vanity press). - Mailer Diablo 18:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Bowie Ibarra
Non-notable author. Has written one book (which I am bundling with this nomination) and has another in the works. His book was published by vanity press AuthorHouse and has an amazon.com SalesRank of 101,565. Searching for "Bowie Ibarra" on Google produces 177 unique hits, not all of which concern his books. -Elmer Clark 05:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

==== The book "Down the Road: A Zombie Horror Story" was originally published by vanity press AuthorHouse, but was subsequently picked up by Permuted Press and reprinted. The sequel "Down the Road: On the Last Day" is also to be published by Permuted Press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elaire26 (talk • contribs)

==== The Amazon sales rank fluctuates between 15,000 - 150,000 depending on the day. Please clarify the significance of the amazon.com sales rank in regards to deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elaire26 (talk • contribs)

==== The google search has over 500 hits, some concerning his run for Texas Comptroller and his role in the Texas Rollergirls. However, there is a significant number of links to discussion groups and forums where his book is being discussed. Please clarify the significance of the Google search in regards to deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elaire26 (talk • contribs)


 * I am also nominating his book and the sequel which is in production:
 * Down the Road: A Zombie Horror Story (novel)
 * Down the Road: On the Last Day (novel) -Elmer Clark 05:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

==== Please clarify the reason for deleting the books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elaire26 (talk • contribs)


 * Deleteas per nom., and including the books. An article on an author which tells us all about the author's family, hobbies, interests etc and nothing to assert his notability as an author.    Emeraude 11:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all of them per nom. Trebor 17:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

==== In regards to 'notability', is this in reference to a lack of reviews or perhaps a verification of his educational background? Is there a question as to whether his book is valid? Please clarify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elaire26 (talk • contribs)


 * Delete all Biography does not claim to meet the WP:BIO standards, much less evidence it through use of independent reliable sourcing. Book articles do not claim to meet the WP:BOOK standards, much less evidence them through independent reliable sourcing.  GRBerry 17:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wikipedia is not paper.--KrossTalk 01:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * keep. Entry can be modified to satisfy WP:BIO, WP:BOOK and WP:INDY — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elaire26 (talk • contribs)
 * Comment The best evidence that it can be so modified is actually doing it. Please see WP:INDY for a discussion of the types of sourcing we are looking for.  Please see WP:FORGET for semi-humorous advice about how to write articles on subjects you have personal knowledge of.  GRBerry 12:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment The article has been revised in an effort to comply with Wiki standards User:Elaire26
 * Comment: I find this doubtful...the amazon.com SalesRank and lack of Google hits indicate that this author and his books simply are not notable, something that can only be changed if the book gains popularity, which is unlikely to happen before the end of this AfD... -Elmer Clark 00:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * comment: In regards to the amazon.com Sales Rank, as of this writing, the rank indicates #88,470 in books and 52% of the people who look at the page purchase the book. The sales rank has certainly not been in the 1,000's, but can be considered notable for a first novel.  However, please clarify the amazon.com sales rank standard for Wiki.
 * comment: In regards to the Google search, as of this writing, a search for "bowie ibarra" has 598 unique hits, all of which, as noted before, do not relate to his book. But what is the Wiki standard for Google hits to be considered relevant.
 * comment: 'Popularity' - the novel has gained a popular following among zombie fans around the world, with the first review of the original vanity printing coming from England (http://www.amazon.co.uk). It has also been discussed on zombie themed forums across the internet.  Does Wiki define 'popularity' as 'mainstream'? user:elaire26
 * Comment There are no set-in-stone standards for SalesRank or number of Google hits, each Wikipedian will probably have his own opinion on how low is "too low" to really call a work notable.  88,470 (or 101,000) is probably well below anyone's threshold though.  Should all the 88,469 books with a higher SalesRank be listed as well?  As for Google hits, they just serve to give a broader picture of how much buzz this guy and his books are getting, how much they're being discussed and reviewed, etc.  The generally-agreed-upon guidelines for notability in books can be found at WP:BOOK. -Elmer Clark 20:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom and GRBerry' main article still not encyclopedic in tone, none of them demonstrates any notability. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * comment: The article has attempted to take a neutral tone, providing only facts without embellishments.
 * comment: If Google searches and Amazon.com sales ranks are a standard Wiki uses in determining notability, then the reviews of Brian Keene and David Moody need to be reconsidered. Author Brian Keene has a sales rank (as of this writing) for 'The Rising' at 10,164, a four star rank for his book (published two years ago) with 145 user reviews, as well as being awarded the "Bram Stoker Award" for this story.  His sequel 'City of the Dead' is currently at 15,336 with a 3 and a half star rating.  His Google search results in 123,000 hits.  Brian Keene also has his own Wiki page.  The information provided in his bibliography is comparable in tone to the article being discussed.
 * comment: David Moody, who also independently reviewed the book "Down the Road" has an amazon.com sales rank as of this writing for his zombie novel "Autumn" of #36,471 for his novel published last year. A google search of "david moody" provides 119,000 hits, with not all of which relate to the author. user elaire26


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