Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boxing in Latin America


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:11, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Boxing in Latin America

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The article has no references and very little content, and has not been improved in over four years. The topic gives no indication of even being appropriate for an article -- the information currently in the article is more appropriately handled by the category system (see Category:Boxers by ethnicity and Category:Boxers by nationality). » Swpbτ • ¢ 21:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

One point to consider, if anyone wants to improve or recreate this article, is whether the combination of "Latin American" and "boxer" (as opposed to say, "Central/South American" and "boxer") is appropriate. In the world of boxing, are there regional boxing associations or competitions for Latin America, or is the intersection of "Latin American" and "boxer" a topic of academic or popular interest? If the answer to both questions is "no", then we should not have a list for the intersection. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Would this be better as List of Latin American Boxers? That is essentially what it is.  As to not being improved in 4 years, that doesn't matter, although references would be swell if left as is.  As a list, references wouldn't be needed and it is a reasonable way to list boxers, by geographic area. Dennis Brown (talk) 21:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I noted the four year lack of improvement to indicate that improvement might never be coming. » Swpbτ • ¢ 23:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I get that, that it isn't a reason to nom and you know that, and it wasn't the reason for the nom. I'm just saying it is never a reason to !vote to delete either, via WP:DEADLINE and WP:NOEFFORT, and honestly, needn't be introduced as a factor in an AFD.  That said, that fact was just one reason why I said moving to a 'list of' article was a better idea anyway, since most of the links are already there, and it is very arguable that the list would be appropriate and easily meet criteria, as the criteria (boxer + Latin America) are both rigidly defined and not indiscriminate.  Dennis Brown (talk) 00:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * "...and you know that"? Do you talk to all the editors you come across like children? Lack of improvement, or more accurately lack of potential for improvement, was exactly why I nominated, because we don't need stagnant junk sitting around dragging down the average quality of WP. You're citing essays, not policies, so don't tell me what I know or why I nom. Personal issues aside, making this a list is a decent enough solution. » Swpbτ • ¢ 01:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply Yes, when someone manages to use take up time in an AFD with something that could be done on the talk page, or by simply being bold, ie: turning it into a list, then I do feel compelled to link to essays that the consensus of Wikipedia editors accept and edit by, as the rationale for my observations. Those essays have stood the test of time and the consensus of editors agree that they are principals to guide editors.  Any time an experienced editor's nominations are defacto reasons that the essay WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions was created, you should expect others will have an opinion.   Dennis Brown (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice against proper recreation. Although the absence of improvement in 4 years can be overlooked per WP:DEADLINE, I think a more important question is: If an editor wanted to improve this article, would the current content of the article be useful for this purpose? Given the state of the article—short, incomplete and unreferenced—the answer is "no", and so there is no reason to keep the page. A list of boxers certainly could be viable (I disagree, however, that "references wouldn't be needed" for a list), but Category:Boxers by nationality would be a much better starting-point than this article.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.