Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brad Hammett


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The result was   delete. Thanks everyone for participating. :) Please assume good faith with my decision. If you believe this article was deleted without good reason, please request undeletion at deletion request, not my talk page. Thank you. SarahStierch (talk) 03:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Brad Hammett

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Non-notable hockey player, fails the GNG (no sources which don't violate WP:ROUTINE or WP:GEOSCOPE) and the WP:NHOCKEY criteria. Played a handful of games, mostly in the low minors.   Ravenswing   00:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Meets criteria #3 for playing in 100 plus games in “fully professional” leagues. Although the teams Hammett played for are now defunct, at the time he was playing they were AAA and AA level professional team, analogous to AHL and ECHL teams of today. Between 1963 and 1984, the teams of the NHL owned CHL were the top minor league affiliates of NHL teams, and in the 1980s teams from the IHL also served as the top farm teams to either NHL or AHL franchises. In 1988 the ACHL merged with the AAHL to create the ECHL, thus by definition these leagues are analogous to the ECHL. Dolovis (talk) 04:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply: Most of these characterizations are simply untrue ... quite aside from the fact that hockey has never sanctioned "AAA" or "AA" baseball-style letter grades for leagues. While I agree that the CHL and IHL of the 1980s were on a par with the AHL, a player would need 100 games in those leagues to satisfy criterion #3; Hammett played 43.  The ACHL and AAHL were low-level, ephemeral minor leagues.   Ravenswing   08:23, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. As noted, there is no such thing as a "AAA" or "AA" league in hockey, so please don't waste our time trying to pass the ECHL's marketing pap off as a sign of notability.  Beyond that, it is notable that Dolovis is trying to bank on an arbitrary SNG that only presumes notability rather than showing the existence of reliable sources that cover the subject in a non-trivial manner.  There is no indication that the presumption of notability is warranted in this case. Resolute 01:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Could not find any sources anywhere that would allow this player to pass WP:GNG. Being as how he doesn't meet NHOCKEY either there is no reason to keep this non-notable player. -DJSasso (talk) 04:28, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails NHOCKEY and GNG.  Can be re-created if/when he ever does.  Patken4 (talk) 04:16, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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