Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bradtmoore, California


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The result was redirect to Heber, California. Missvain (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Bradtmoore, California

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Normally, I would not be nominating a place with a post office for deletion. However, I believe there is good reason to this time: The Bradtmoore post office seems to have been a short-lived name for the Heber, California post office. I think this result, which I have clipped from newspapers.com, so it should be viewable to all who stop by this AFD, explains what happened. When they went to put a post office in Heber, it was named Bradtmoore for some reason. This proved to cause problems, since the town was actually called Heber, but USPS called it Bradtmoore. I've found a handful of other newspapers.com clippings mentioning Bradtmoore, but nothing that proves my theory wrong. One present a report about beet sales, and includes a letter to Mr. J. J. Post of Bradtmoore. However, the same article, in the part written by the newspaper and not reprinted from the letter, says that Mr. J. J. Post is a resident of Heber. There are a handful of other mentions in newspapers.com, but none describe the place, or mention Heber. So, I'm not really sure what to do with this. The article as it stands appears to be false in calling this a former settlement. There's a good case to mentions this in the Heber article, but I'm not sure if merging this dodgy content is a good idea, and it would be a WP:OR violation for me to put my theory in the Heber article without a really solid source. Hog Farm Bacon 16:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 16:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 16:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Merge or redirect?
 * Merge I don't think it's WP:OR to redirect in case anyone ever looks for it to Heber and then include the blurb clipped about Bradtmoore. The name does appear in a couple place name books I can't access, so I don't think we're doing any first hand research here. SportingFlyer  T · C  16:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge or Redirect to Heber, California. As stated, Bradtmoore had [a post office].  Interesting about the two names and the confusion.  JStor had no hits.  Not found in GNIS.  A few trivial hits are found in newspapers.com.  GBooks had some hits for the post office.  Cxbrx (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * comment There is a question here of what Durham says. If he says it was a separate place, I would say to just delete it. If he indicates that it was a rename, or that Bradtmoore was actually in Heber, then I would go for redirect and rewrite the passage. for a consult. Mangoe (talk) 02:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The cite is for the entry for Heber: "Postal authorities established Bradtmoore post office in 1903 and moved it 0.5 miles south in 1904 when they changed the name to Heber; the name 'Bradtmoore' was coined from letters in the name Bradley T. Moore, founder of the community." Seems like a redirect is the correct move and there never should have been a separate article here in the first place. It continues to say "A townsite called Paringa, laid out east of present Heber in 1901 and 1902, was abandoned in 1903" so Paringa, California should be redirected too. Reywas92Talk 03:15, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * redirect in light of the above. Mangoe (talk) 03:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


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