Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Braithwaite, Oklahoma


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. It looks like sources have been found. Liz Read! Talk! 20:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Braithwaite, Oklahoma

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Former station on the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway: https://ngmdb.usgs.gov/ht-bin/tv_browse.pl?id=8430f8fd39bfe9cf13a0ce8085a1ff90, but no evidence of anything else than a WP:GNIS fail. I did not find a single source in newspapers.com or Google other than a couple lists of stations like http://streamlinermemories.info/SF/SF63TTocr.pdf and this oil well test. No indication this was a notable community, if ever a community at all. The youtube video is not at all reliable. Reywas92Talk 20:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Oklahoma. Reywas92Talk 20:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  20:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you think WP:GEOLAND would count for this considering it was a town at one point. It has a Google maps spot and a feature ID and that makes me think this town was at least notable at one point. I’d say if it existed, it counts. Seeing you provided evidence for the towns existence, it should be considered at least once notable.
 * Keep DannonCool (talk) 20:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, first read WP:GNIS. Google maps does not have people who independently decide what labels to put on it, no one made an editorial decision determining this was a town and should have a label there: they just import data from the GNIS. Now where does GNIS come from? In 1978 (in this case), someone read the map I linked and recorded every name on it and gave them feature IDs. They also did not perform analysis on these features, and in many cases classified them as "populated place" even when (a) they weren't populated places at all and (b) that "populated place" is not actually a town, is just a neighborhood of sorts, or does not meet standards for a standalone article. Many times railroads had a station in rural areas and gave it a name and put it on the timetables, but again, that does not mean it was a town – sometimes the name was just a local landowner. GEOLAND does not say "all towns are notable", it says legally recognized places are presumed notable. But there having been a label on a map once does not mean it's legally recognized, is notable, or is even an actual town. We don't know that this existed! If you can find significant coverage about a town beyond some guy going to the ruins of the station, then we can talk. The same goes for any of the articles you made. Reywas92Talk 21:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can talk about how it was listed as a Townsite, not a post office, in George Shirks “Oklahoma Place Names” book. https://books.google.com/books?id=KpAmsIFdutAC&pg=PA3&source=kp_read_button&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&gboemv=1&ovdme=1#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * It was definitely a town.
 * Keep DannonCool (talk) 00:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * A townsite isn't quite the same as a town either. Reywas92Talk 16:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Explain? It was a townsite with a post office. I still think we should keep it because it was a townsite. 72.222.91.196 (talk) 18:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I was logged out. DannonCool (talk) 18:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. I'm seeing a ton of articles announcing the new town of Braithwaite, Oklahoma, in 1907 newspapers on Newspapers.com. This was a platted community of at least 28 blocks with its own school district, stores, post office, rail station, etc. While there is no community now, and the school district was dissolved thirty years later, notability is not temporary, and there is coverage of Braithwaite in local and statewide newspapers and books. Firsfron of Ronchester  07:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per HEY. Djflem (talk) 18:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


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