Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brandi Hawbaker (4th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE per WP:SNOW. The subject was not notable and as the nominator states has become a background for family matters. I came to this decision after reviewing the OTRS ticket and and the edits (one oversighted and another to this page rev/del'd) by an editor now blocked by another Admin per WP:NLT. Dougweller (talk) 11:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Brandi Hawbaker
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Neither film career nor poker career is notable. Has become a battleground for family members, with all sorts of poorly-sourced and improperly-made edits, now requiring admin intervention. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 02:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * speedy delete no significant coverage in reliable sources now, nor even back in the 2nd AfD that was closed as "no consensus - default to keep". The non admin closure of the third AfD as "no consensus" when there was actually no responses in opposition to the nomination was flawed - this should not be here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I vote for deletion of this page as it has been abused by users and does not meet wikipedias criteria Leedezine (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)Leedezine
 * Delete I vote for deletion of this page as it has been abused and is not notable in the poker community!PokermanNV (talk) 02:52, 6 January 2013 (UTC) — PokermanNV (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * FYI... PokermanNV has been indefinitely blocked for being a sockpuppet of Leedezine. Therefore, PokermanNV's comments have been struck per WP:3RRNO. --76.189.103.146 (talk) 05:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete and possibly speedy. Poker and acting career may be below most criteria.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable, per the other comments. ukexpat (talk) 03:21, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Some discussion on previous AfDs suggested that there was significant interest in some incidents concerned with this person—yet there is no article relating to such incidents. There is no claim of notability for the subject in the article (nor in past revisions), and the references show no awards that would satisfy WP:N. I have seen the references and external links in previous revisions, and there was nothing reliably sourced and useful for the establishment of notability in them. Examples of articles on notable female poker players include Maria Ho and Annie Duke where there is evidence of significant awards. Johnuniq (talk) 03:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Hold we have to many issues right now its protected so nobody can even edit it also Leedezine and PokermanNV's votes are identical  Jay Jay What did I do? 03:36, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * They are not identical and this is not a vote.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:44, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I can attest I am not identical, and am of a different gender, and play poker in Las Vegas! I again vote deletePokermanNV (talk) 03:49, 6 January 2013 (UTC)PokermanNV
 * They are almost identical, PokermanNV has no other edits and they both posted in a narrow timeframe. And you know what I mean by votes how else am I suppose to word it?  Jay Jay What did I do? 03:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't assume I know what you mean, you should take some time to think before you post.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't need to be calling names here, we can keep this discussion in a civilized manner  Jay Jay What did I do? 16:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ahem! So should you.  You should think about whether you want to appear to the world like the sort of некультурный lout who says "dick head" and "beak off" to a complete stranger in public.  You clearly did know what xe meant, given that you in response told xem that this wasn't a vote.  Uncle G (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "opinions", "rationales", "discussion contributions" are some of the several ways to word it. Uncle G (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The article does not need editing at the moment as it's appearance is not relevant here. What would count would be any indication of notability, and this is a good place to do that. If someone finds something, would they please give a very brief outline of what encyclopedic information could be added to the article, and note the reliable source. Also, there is no need to be concerned about the two new editors commenting above as the closing admin will know how to weight such comments. Johnuniq (talk) 04:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, I don't see the notability here. NawlinWiki (talk) 03:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per above + WP:SIGCOV. How this article survived 3 past AfD's, is nothing short of a miracle. -- MST  ☆  R   (Happy New Year!) 12:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - No sign of notability PianoDan (talk) 13:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails notability tests (history of vandalism is irrelevant here). I think I'm starting to feel WP:SNOW coming on. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  00:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete and SALT perhaps? This battleground on a desceased, non-notable actress, would her article ever need to be created again? Livewireo (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.