Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brandon Barnes (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f  e  minist  01:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Brandon Barnes
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The drummer of Rise Against. I'm not convinced he is personally notable outside of the band, and the article seems to broadly just be a biography of them, with a little bit on his personal life, but nothing to assert any independent notability. Precedent is to not have articles on every member of a band, even if they're especially famous, unless they independently warrant it. Note first AFD was a different subject (a jazz musician). KaisaL (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge (minimally) to Rise Against. Worth a redirect at least. His previous band should really be mentioned there (this source could be used), but the lack of sourced content here means there's not much else mergeworthy. --Michig (talk) 18:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The other members have their own articles, I don't see why the article on the drummer was singled out for nomination for deletion. As for the non sourced material, perhaps someone can find sources? Abstrakt (talk) 02:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. There seem to be plenty of Google news hits to mine for sources. bd2412  T 16:57, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep There are quite a few sources that I've come across demonstrating the notability of Brandon Barnes. Having worked on most of the Rise Against articles, I could take a look at this article and try to spice things up a bit. Famous Hobo (talk) 03:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947 (c)  00:48, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure the above keep arguments have sufficiently demonstrated he's independently notable. I'm not disputing his obvious notability as part of Rise Against, but I don't see what he has done independently to warrant an article. Other members having an article isn't a reason, and sources coming up on news - many of which will be about the band - isn't really either. If there's reliable, substantial sources covering him as an individual outside of the band, then sure, that's different. Note many, many big bands don't have any members with an article of their own. I appreciate this final sentence is a bit WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but as an example of my point, Matthew Healy from The 1975 - a band of equal or higher fame - is that band's singer and he doesn't have an article. KaisaL (talk) 14:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Adequate reliable and verifiable sources that are about him independently to meet the notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 02:31, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


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