Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bravo (pickup artist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. There is a very strong consensus for deletion, based on the lack of coverage in reliable sources. The lack of coverage makes it a verifiability problem let alone one of notability. Mkativerata (talk) 00:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Bravo (pickup artist)

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American dating coach. Absolutely no evidence of notability. No substantial coverage. Refs are spammy. Reads like advert. Created by SPA. Contested prod. Christopher Connor (talk) 03:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Bravo is absolutely documented as a dating coach. He has a huge following in the seduction community, and has been the executive coach and right hand man of best selling author of The Game, Neil Strauss, aka Style, who is the most popular, respected and well know pick up artist and dating coach in the United States, possibly in the world. Anyone in this community knows of Mystery, who had a VH1 television show for two seasons called "The Pickup Artist". Well Bravo has worked extensively with him as well, and Mystery even mentions Bravo by name in the credits of his book, thanking him for his assistance with the project. Click the references cited on the page to verify this to be true. Although still the Executive Coach for Neil Strauss's Stylelife Academy, Bravo is now branching out and expanding his own business for himself as well. To remove this page from wiki would be insane. He is a legit, well known figure in the world of pickup, seduction, and dating coaching. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.44.98 (talk) 21:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC) — 69.253.44.98 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — 69.253.44.98 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete - Jesus Christ,  "...as he is known in the seduction community..."  Seduction community?!?! Gimme a frickin' break. Utterly non-notable, unless he's so good at the craft that he sires 300 independently-documented-in-a-reliable-source offspring, in which case I just may consider changing my vote... Carrite (talk) 01:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * KEEP I edited this once before, just because you are not familiar with "the seduction community" does not mean it isn't noteworthy. Numerous books on the subject, TV shows, tons of websites and multiple events thousands of people attending is noteworthy. "Bravo" worked for the absolute most famous of them all mutiple New York Times best selling author Neil Strauss and is featured in one of his best selling books. He is a very well known instructor, taught thousands across the world and has amazing things said and written about him on multiple forums with some with over 140,000+ members by men who have worked with him. It is accepted to have pages on the seduction community/pickup artist world, so clearly there should be pages on some of their most well known teachers. I am a member of the Stylelife forum with over 80,00+ members that Bravo runs and he has changed numerous peopls lives including mine- Coven13 —Preceding undated comment added 05:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC).  — Coven13 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * There's a difference between noteworthy and worthy. All caps don't help the weak case for inclusion, by the way... Carrite (talk) 03:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete fails notability guidelines and reads overly promotional in tone. The tl;dr from the newish editors above does nothing to sway me. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. No legit assertion of notability, no valid sourcing, borders on speedy-eligible. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Could not find information about him outside of MySpace, Twitter, IMDb, family trees, and self-promotion. In my opinion, the subject of this article fails notability. Cindamuse (talk) 07:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I could not find significant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability.  GB fan  talk 08:21, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

if you want to delete this, then you need to also delete neil strauss, mystery and every other pickup artist. because bravo is no different than them. except he doesn't shamefully self promote like most other dating coaches do. if your not familiar with the seduction community or think it's not legit, then stop arguing nonsense on wikipedia and open a book. called The Game. nobody has every heard of that either. oh wait, it's a new york times best seller. nevermind... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.44.98 (talk) 04:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No matter how this discussion comes out, it does not set a precedent for other articles. Each article is evaluated independently based on the sources available about the subject.  If you believe those other people are non-notable then you are free to nominate them for deletion.   GB fan  talk 04:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * KEEP again? so wiki just keeps listing something over and over until enough people vote to delete? Featured in the best selling book Rules of The Game, top guy for the most famous "pick up artist", not sure how much more famous in his circle he can get. Seduction community is a legit topic here, so clearly top guys in that field are as well. Coven13 comment added 00:40, 6 August 2010
 * No it wasn't listed again to get more delete !votes. As a Biography of a living person it is one that Wikipedia wants to get right.  This one was relisted a second time because there was not enough discussion to determine what the consensus was on the article. If you can show significant coverage in reliable sources then  it would change my mind and I would say we should keep it.  I wasn't able to find enough coverage to say he is notable and no one else has provided enough coverage to show he meets the notability guidelines.   GB fan  talk 07:53, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Looked for reliable sources, couldn't find any.  Not notable by Wikipedia's standards at this time. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 00:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep You've never heard of Bravo, or a pickup artist, or the seduction community? Well that's fine. That's why these things have wiki pages. When i want to learn about something new, I search wiki for it. Isn't that the point of doing "research"? To learn something new? Who wants to read an encyclopedia about something they already know about? Do some research on this topic and tell me you don't see Bravo's name popping up all over the place! He definitely should have a wikipedia page. TheKingOfAces (talk) 23:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC) — TheKingOfAces (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.