Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brazil–Finland relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Brazil–Finland relations

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whilst these 2 nations have embassies. the extent of bilateral relations is quite limited according to the Finnish govt LibStar (talk) 02:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - the two are friendly, with a recent state visit in the mix, but there really isn't any in-depth coverage of the relationship turning up. - Biruitorul Talk 05:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep for now, centralized discussion has started (Centralized discussion/Bilateral international relations), it makes sense to see and wait if that leads to usable outcome for this class of articles in general. --Reinoutr (talk) 09:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This should not be counted as a vote, as it does not address the merits of the article. - Biruitorul Talk 13:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't be silly, any proper reasoning to keep an article should be taken into account. In this case, centralized discussion has started, so it makes perfect sense to pause the deletion of such articles while people try to develop a guideline. No harm is done by leaving these articles a few weeks longer. Finally, AfD is not a vote and I am sure we can trust the closing admin to weigh in all the comments in a way he or she sees fit at that time. --Reinoutr (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't be silly yourself. If the centralised discussion produces any guidelines (it may not) with sufficient detail to affect borderline cases such as this one (very unlikely), then these guidelines will be based on the results of this discussion and similar discussions. --Hans Adler (talk) 10:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:NOHARM as you state, is not a valid reason for keep. LibStar (talk) 02:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, nothing here other than directory entries. Stifle (talk) 14:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no reliable sources discuss this relationship or otherwise establish notability for this relationship. Since we already have guidelines on these matters, derailing AFD's pending the outcome of a process tha will never yield a consensus (and is scheduled to end when, exactly?) would be disruptive.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - 2 x resident ambassadors + state visits. Large Finnish investments in Brazil. Also, Finland has been a major merchant sea power, with regular routes to Brazil. P.S. This link says Brazil is Finland's most inportant trading partner in South and Central America, followed by Mexico and Chile. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * do you have citations for "Large Finnish investments in Brazil. Also, Finland has been a major merchant sea power, with regular routes to Brazil"? LibStar (talk) 02:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This source lists the largest Finnish direct investments in Brazil:
 * Valmet tractor factory (1960), largest producer of tractors in South America
 * Nokia mobile phones factory in Manaus (1998), 3000 employees
 * Stora Enso/Aracruz Celulose pulp mill in Bahia (2005), largest ever foreign direct investment in Brazil (1,25 billion USD), largest producer of eucalyptus pulp in the world.
 * For Finnish investments these are notable, considering that the largest ever direct foreign investment in Finland will be the Google data center in Hamina with 50 expected employees. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The economic ties between them, make them notable. It is a relationship, and it involves two countries, thus the article subject is validated.  That information should be added to the article itself of course.   D r e a m Focus  04:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.