Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BreakTudo Awards (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. All "keep" opinions are by accounts with very few edits, and most "delete" opinions are by experienced Wikipedians, which in and of itself says something. While there is disagreement about whether the sources are sufficient, given the circumstances outlined in the nomination I'm placing determining weight on the opinions by experienced contributors.  Sandstein  07:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

BreakTudo Awards
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This article is one of the worst cases of use of Wikipedia as means for promotion we have on en.WP. Additionally, it also an ugly case of undisclosed paid contribution and advocacy. All this, because this article doesn't pass WP:GNG or any other notability criteria, so they have to resort to other means to keep it here. There's no in-depth coverage, independent or reliable sources on the article. Only self-published, promotional sources and obscures non-reliable outlets and websites. The first time this article went through a AfD it was plagued by WP:SOCK and WP:MEAT puppetry. Almost all the editors who voted "keep" were new accounts with few edits or proven socks whose accounts were later blocked and locked. When BreakTudo (the company that promotes this event) was nominated for an AfD the same happened. Several socks showed up trying to "save" the article. All the "keep" votes came from socks. On the pt.WP, where this article was first created, it was deleted, and later several proven socks tried to recreate it over and over. So, to all participating on this AfD and to the sysop assessing the consensus, I ask to take all this into consideration. Additionally, don't be surprise if socks and meats show up on this AfD too. SirEd Dimmi!!! 13:00, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Entertainment-related deletion discussions.  SirEd  Dimmi!!! 13:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions.  SirEd  Dimmi!!! 13:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - This goes beyond being an non-notable awards. This is a serious case of spam within Wikipedia, which I also believe should receive greater attention from administrators due to the movement it generates in its versions in other languages. J  talk 13:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:05, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Strong keep, Wikipedia doesn't delete articles because they contain subject matter that somebody doesn't like. I analyzed the article and the notoriety of the topic is evidenced, being Brazilian the prize has articles on several and important websites (La Verdad,CNN, Complex, Naver, Sohu, CNBC, Bagikan Berita, Telegrafi, Dritare, allkpop, top alabania, kultplus, Jawa Pos, Yahoo, I found many, many others), around the world, you don't need an unprecedented search to find out that it is a relevant prize.

About versions in other languages, about versions in other languages on the Italian wikipedia two articles were created about the award there, "BreakTudo Awards 2020" by Tommasucci (eight years contributing to Wikipedia) e "BreakTudo Awards" by Bennybardi (since 2019 on wikipedia, more than 3 thousand editions), on Wikipedia spain has the article BreakTudo Awards, created by Pandadri, on Wikipedia since 2012, more than 12,000 contributions. To do frivolous accusations about these people's contributions to Wikipedia is disrespectful at best. Regarding the coverage of the topic, websites that write about awards do not usually do a biography about the awards. There are thousands of awards, awards that have no relevance end up not having coverage, let alone such extensive coverage. I checked the first AFD, and they (users involved in this afd) are the same ones who tried to delete the page the first time they're trying to do it now. At least this WP:MEAT puppetry to delete articles, does this work also on Wikipedia in Brazil? Lol.

"I don't like it, I'll delete it", looks like it. Dorota Uchis  (talk) 16:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Without a doubt, it is one of the most relevant awards in Brazil today.Although I don't edit much here on Wikie en, on Wiki pt I've been editing for 5 years now, so I haven't appeared out of nowhere here, often and there I'm used to users who propagate the page to delete. The award page was created on Wiki pt and at the time they deleted it due to lack of relevance, then the award gained relevance, but they never let it create, they always deleted it using the justification that it was deleted in 2016, which makes no sense. Because we are in 2021, I myself would have created the awards page on Wikipedia in pt, because yes it has relevance, but they don't allow it. Their strategy is to delete where it was created and always use justification that was deleted in such a place, I believe this is not the goal of wikipedia, put personal will above all. SirEdimon is doing a great disservice here on Wikipedia in English, putting several pages to eliminate to his liking. Another example of this is the scientist Marina Caskey, she has wikipedia in Portuguese and he hasn't put the page for deletion yet. The objective is perhaps the same, delete here in English, for there in Portuguese he uses the justification that her wikipedia has no relevance because it was deleted in English. JardelW, this one is the worst Wikipedia vandal in pt, lives in conflict with other administrators putting his personal voter on everything and breaking rules. Jardel has several blocks on Wikipedia in pt, for his bad behavior, here he only comes to vandalize too. Pedropaulohd  (talk) 18:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , strike your personal attacks or I'll report you. This AfD is to discuss the article and not to attack other editors. SirEd  Dimmi!!! 03:27, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment As I said on my rationale, it's not surprising that this new accounts with only few edits showed up here to vote "keep". It happened all the times this article (and all related to them) are put for deletion. Dorota Uchis was created on July 19, 2021, and has only 118 edits here. Pedropaulohd is even worst case. This editor says that they have been editing the pt.WP for 5 years, but they only have 298 edits since 2016 and even worse on Pt.WP they were blocked for not following Wikipedia policies. Additionally, they created 4 articles on pt.WP and three of them were deleted for [Lista de prêmios e indicações recebidos por Juliette Freire lack of notability] or use of Wikipedia as a means for promotion. I'm pretty sure several new non-established accounts will show up here to vote "keep".-- SirEd Dimmi!!! 03:39, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This editor is recurring in adding unimportant information to artist articles. Recently, it has been inserting a "Prêmio Biscoito" (the "Oscar do Vale") in Anitta's list of awards lol J  talk 09:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep There is no reason for the article to be deleted, the source coverage it received is enough to keep it here. The award is one of the largest in Brazil, in 2020 it was among most voted, receiving 94 million votes, a number several times higher than other awards that have articles on wikipedia in pt. Examples Capricho Awards, received less than 1 million votes, not to mention that it does not receive coverage from sources. Premio Contigo Online, around 2 million and receives coverage only from the site itself. These are just a few examples of the awards that Wikipedia has in Brazil and are considered relevant. BreakTudo Awards is for sure one of the popular awards in Brazil, last year it was the most talked about subject on Twitter in Indonesia, reaching number #1 on Twitter's Trending Topics. Adding all the factors such as popularity, source coverage, article edits, BreakTudo Awards certainly meet the requirements to have an article here on Wikipedia. Furthermore, as mentioned above, it was created in Wikipedia Italy and Spain by users experienced in Wikipedia policies. Predofarofa   (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the coverage of the article's references, the comment by sysop Conde Edmond Dantès in the previous discussion summarizes what they represent: The award is only mentioned in worthless entertainment portals. When there is any mention of a trustworthy portal, it is either a paid story/press office or talks more about third parties than about the award. J  talk 09:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Just like last time even with the suspicious votes their isn't enough to back up a deletion. The awards do seem to be notable and the articles seem to be properly constructed with contributions from several editors. The awards this year are set to be broadcasted on Telemilênio Brasil which from what I see is a mayor producer in Brasil so in that case it does appear that they are notable awards from that country. FanDePopLatino (talk) 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , They are not notable in the country. It's easy to see when THEY DON'T HAVE an article at the pt.WP. SirEd  Dimmi!!! 04:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * they don't have an article on pt.WP but that's because it was deleted in 2016 which is the year the awards first came out. Maybe they weren't notable then but now they do seem to have become notable with several sources talking about the awards and not just primary sources like in 2016. FanDePopLatino (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Warning that there is a case similar to this one being discussed on this page here. They detected a lot of socks, paid edits and cross-wiki spam. J  talk 09:53, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment this is obvious spam/paid editing. The first version of the article, by a new editor making their first edit, has 30+ references. Then we have sub pages like BreakTudo_Award_for_International_Duo/Group! I think an SPI is highly appropriate here.  --- Possibly &#9742; 18:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep As  said, the award had its first edition in 2016 and had an article created on WikiPT, at the time it was not well-known, but today it is. There are several topics, people who were not well-known in 2019, and today there are no articles here. In 2020 it had 94 million votes, being one of the most voted awards in Brazil, extensive international coverage of the awards. It's enough to be considered remarkable, so it should be kept.

Here on wikipedia in English has the journalist's page Ana Paula Renault, she became known in Brazil in 2016 and at the time she was considered a phenomenon on the BBB 16 reality show, because of her repercussion people who didn't know Wikipedia's policies tried to create a page for her there. Only the page was always deleted. After she left the reality show, she became a great television personality, being a reporter, presenter, participant of major Brazilian TV programs, guest, always active. She managed to consolidate herself as a presenter on SBT, one of the largest Brazilian channels. In 2018, they created her page here and it is still on the air today, she is clearly a notorious figure.

But there on Wikipedia Br, never accepted creation, always using arguments from the past, from when it didn't have the notoriety it has today. I mentioned this case because in May of this year I created the journalist's page on Wikipedia in pt and they deleted it simply using "recurring appearance", so to say that something is notorious is to delete it in wikipedia in pt seems to be very easy in some cases. Several different Wikipedia users have already tried to create Ana Paula Renault's Wiki page, all to no avail. Gil do Vigor and Juliette Freire were completely unknown in Brazil at the beginning of the year, they participated in BBB 21 and as soon as the program ended they already had a page on Wikipedia, Gilberto was not even a finalist in the edition. I understand that they are both notorious for having pages there and the decision to keep their pages was right. Comparing their filmography, Ana Paula Renault is also notorious for having a page there and not have. In this way, it cannot be said that a topic is not known because it has no wikipedia page in Portuguese. Ricardo Fett (talk) 19:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Neutral comment I placed the 'not a ballot' template atop this page on Monday evening to assuage the nominator's concerns about possible canvassing, and being unsure about a vote! myself as the nomination has gone on. I haven't seen any kind of sock or meat puppet bloc show up, contrary to the nominator's assumption, nor any brigading, which makes me feel like they were trying to build a mountain out of a molehill, nor any cause for an SPI. I also fail to see what the behavior in the Prix Versailles noms, which involves a completely different language than this one, has to do with this nomination. To the nom and their supporters, please argue solely on our policies and do not attack the 'keep' voters here, because we take their arguments as equally as yours as long as they have no editing issues.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment it is incredibly suspicious that there is not a ptwiki article on this topic. Also, many of the references in the article are press releases and/or broken.  While the awards certainly exist, their own self-promotion seems to overwhelm any neutral coverage.  The Keep votes are all from editors who are almost solely contributors in the "Latin American music" topic area; this could be because they know more about the notability of this event than the rest of us, or it could be that they care less about Wikipedia policy on reliable sources and notability.  My question is: what are the best WP:THREE sources here?  Preferably references that are not press releases, not celebrity gossip sites, not blogs or Youtube videos.  Also a comment on the television situation would be nice; as far as I can tell the "broadcasts" are just Youtube streams. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 18:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's interesting to note that those users who voted for "Keep" have an affinity for the same topic (Latin pop culture/music/webcelebrities) and are accounts that were out of recent editions in recent months, but were parachuted into this thread (or are new users whose first edition is to defend the award, with rich details). The arguments are always the same: exposing the thousands of partnerships that supposedly sustain the award's notoriety. In 2016, the website BreakTudo was a partner of R7.com (of Grupo Record, linked to TV Record) and they used this argument to try to keep the article. They later discovered that some users involved in the discussion were sock puppets. J  talk 08:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with User:力, it is suspicious. I started to copyedit the article and I removed the assertion stating that 94million people had taken part as the references on it were junk and low-quality to say the least. Almost immediately another statement to the effect was added with new references  within seconds, which I found extremely odd. The two references that were added, one doesn't like a decent ref, a poorly designed site, the other is the company. The whole crux of the article as being notable depends on that fact and I can't verify it. The large number of categories being awarded, 25, would normally get a similar article deleted on that number alone, as it indicates as it is is a industry or corporate award. Prestigious award tend to few categories. I've seen it time and time again.  The whole thing is odd. It should either deleted until better references are found (where is the mainstream news reporting on it) or it should drafted in the meantime.    scope_creep Talk  09:37, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Regarding the article, I have not seen any YouTube sources being used to reference information as cited in this Afd, so the information is not true. About the broadcast of the awards, BreakTudo Awards 2021 will be broadcast simultaneously on TV and YouTube. The brazilian channel TV Cidade will broadcast the award show on TV, Telemilênio Brasil will broadcast it on YouTube and the Yeeaah channel will broadcast the event to pay TV, the channel is available several Brazilian services such as Vivo TV, Box Brazil, Sky and Oi TV. In Brazil there is the Prêmio Jovem Brasileiro, also one of the largest in the country, it has never been broadcast on Television, always on the internet. Last year it was broadcast on its own YouTube channel, which has 38,000 subscribers.. Regarding the sources I used to add this information to improve the article, they are TNOnline, which, in addition to Jornal, is a highly respected TV in Brazil, the portal is a partner of Universo Online, the largest online media group in Brazil. The second source is from the Observatório da Música, which is one of the largest and most respected sources on music in Brazil, it is part of the Observatorio Group, one of the largest entertainment in Brazil, and is also a partner of Uol e Brasil Online, nominated for the IBest Award, the third source is Portal Rap Mais, one of the most important in Brazil on music and the largest in the country on rap. the fourth source is from Latin Pop Brasil, the largest Brazilian portal on Latin music, MSN partner in Brazil. The sources I used in updating the article are independent, reliable and reputable. Ricardo Fett (talk) 12:33, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The three references you added are press-releases with the identical information in each one.   scope_creep Talk  18:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I still see people here are caught up on the fact that there's no article for the BreakTudo Awards in Portuguese Wikipedia saying that means it's not notable. I disagree because a wikipedia article doesn't define if someone or something is notable or not. Take Peruvian cumbia group called Grupo 5 for example. This group has been around since 1973, they're still active releasing chart topping hits, have tens of millions of views on YouTube with a video having 145 million views, but they do not have an article on any wikipedia not even in Castilian (wrongly called Spanish) or Runa Simi (a.k.a Quechua). That doesn't mean that they are not a notable group. In fact, they are even more notable than others that do have wikipedia articles. So just because the BreakTudo Awards don't have an article on pt.WP that doesn't mean that they are not notable. FanDePopLatino (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That is completely nonsense argument, mainly because it doesn't address the fact that it was deleted on the pt Wikipedia, the dodgy looking references and huge number of categories and 94million figure that looks like it is off a press-release. Looking at the references, using List of newspapers in Brazil, the list of national newspapers, there is not one single article in a mainstream Brazilian newspaper that is referenced in the article. Instead they are all these low-quality sites. Where is the high quality WP:SECONDARY sources that indicate that it is notable. Lets look at the first 10 references:
 * Ref 1 This is a listing of information, there is no analysis and its not in-depth. It is WP:PRIMARY.
 * Ref 2 This is not WP:SECONDARY, it is merely reporting off a press-release. It is a clickbait site and it looks as though it comes from a press-release.
 * Ref 3 Yahoo news. Nomination news. It states at the top, 1-minute read. It is not in-depth at all.
 * Ref 4 It is another article, listing the nomintations, which would suggest it comes off a press-release. It is a click-bait site and it is not-indepth.
 * Ref 5 Small paragraphs of 1 or 2 lines with images. It is true clickbait site. Not in-depth.
 * Ref 6. Confirmation of a win. Not in-depth, merely another clickbait site.
 * Ref 7] CNN, a lot heavier. Very short article. Not-indepth. It does confirm it is an international award and its states its one of Brazil's most anticipated awards.
 * Ref 8 Confirming a nomination for a reality star. Another very short article, not in-depth, no analysis.
 * Ref 9 Top 5 groups you need to know. Click-bait site. Non-RS likely.
 * Ref 10 Another listing of nominations that looks like it comes from the same press-release in 2020. A very short article with no analysis and not in-depth.


 * Most of the references are click-bait sites, that are not in-depth, with some of them being driven by PR/press-releases. The majority of them are very shallow and offer no analysis. They are primary sources and don't define notability. I think the award is probably notable, as defined by CNN Malaysia, indicating it had some coverage in two continents, potentially the beginnnings of satisfying WP:SIGCOV. The award has been out since 2010 but has no mainstream Brazilian Newspaper coverage, which is suspect. I find that really weird. The references ar insufficient at the moment to prove it is notable. They are all PR, annoucements and routine coverage.   scope_creep Talk  19:21, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * If you read above where I voted to "keep" the article you will see that someone replied to me saying (partially in all capital letters) that the awards weren't notable because they don't have an article on pt.WP. I replied to that user as well explaining how maybe the awards weren't notable in 2016 and the article was created WP:TOOSOON but could be considered notable now. The reason I spoke about "Grupo 5" as an example is because I saw someone else mentioning how the BreakTudo Awards don't have an article on pt.WP so I wanted to give an example of another topic that didn't have an article but still was notable. I would appreciate it if you read everything I wrote before you accuse me of making nonsense arguments. I'm not trying to cause any heat amongst anyone here, I just want to share my thoughts on the subject so we can come to a conclusion to this by helping each other out. By the way, where did you see that the awards started in 2010? I thought they started in 2016 but I might have just missed that. Could you please share with me where you found that information so that I can look into it to properly add to the article? Thanks! FanDePopLatino (talk) 04:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment It makes no sense to say that all article links are pre-releases, to say that they are not deep enough. The articles I mentioned are not pre-releases, I can read Portuguese and clearly they are different. But of course at some point they will cite common facts, for example, if a website is saying that the broadcast will be on TV "Y", another news portal that talks about the broadcast will also say that the event will be broadcast on TV "Y", because it cannot say that it will be by TV "X" just so it doesn't look like an article from another website, What websites can say in different ways about awards is about nominees. It has to be taken into account, is that news portals are not going to be doing in-depth publications about whatever the award is, because what matters most to these entertainment portals are the artists. These portals simply wouldn't talk about the awards, if it wasn't relevant, if it was interesting for the public, because there are thousands of votes, awards out there, and you don't see coverage as diverse as BreakTudo Awards has.

The MTV Millennial Brasil - link to check - arrived in Brazil in 2018 and the news that the portals published about the award were all based on a note released by MTV. In this way, if you are going to read the articles about will, there is the same information written by the news portals themselves. But the sites publish because they think it's relevant, you won't find this in-depth information about MTV Miaw Brasil, because what are they going to say? Everyone already knows, it's an MTV poll, which originated in Mexico and went to Brazil. The event is happening and what websites are going to say about the nominees, winner and performers, they don't spend time writing things that it is inferred that everyone already knows or can research. The BreakTudo Awards are relevant, the media coverage it has is enough to keep the article. This coverage so deep that's being charged here doesn't make any sense, the coverage has been deep enough. This is not a subject of scientific research to have such in-depth coverage, if it were there it would be necessary, the coverage covers the facts. Ricardo Fett (talk) 00:30, 01 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Oh my gosh, how much text. This is definitely a notorious award. I found links about this topic in the newspapers O Dia, Uol, Imirante, IG, in pt. In Spanish, I found where he is cited with considerable notoriety in La Repulica, Ciudad Magazine, Protagonista, and El Comercio. No further. Dorota Uchis (talk) 21:24, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Another WP:SPA. I plan to open a SPI.   scope_creep Talk  22:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More input focused on the most relevant questions (the notability of the subject and the quality of sources about) would be helpful.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 14:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are several affiliated articles (2017 BreakTudo Awards, BreakTudo Awards 2018, BreakTudo Awards 2019, BreakTudo Awards 2020, BreakTudo Award for International Female Artist, and BreakTudo Award for International Duo/Group) that should probably be considered for deletion as well. Even if the main article is found to be notable (I haven't been able to investigate the sources yet), the related topics may not merit their own articles. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I made improvements to the article, added several independent and reputable sources in Brazil, I believe this makes it comply WP:GNG. About the affluent pages I believe could be deleted or redirected to BreakTudo Awards. About the sources, I added this Atrevida magazine, highly regarded in Brazil, this one from the Terra portal, extremely respected, this one from the Internet Group portal, one of the largest in the country. Other important vehicles in the country also spoke about the award this year. These sources are reputable and I edit on wikipedia in Brazil and only these sources would be enough to keep an article there, as long as the topic is notorious or that it has not been deleted when it was not yet notorious, as is the case of BreakTudo Awards that was erased in 2016, its first year. Because this award was becoming notorious, last year it had 94 million votes and this is huge in the country.Ricardo Fett (talk) 13:30, 04 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Since you've decided to ask for my opinion regarding the sources even though my original comment had nothing to do with that, I guess I'll respond. I did a search for "atrevida revista" at google.com.br and found no clear indicators of the source's reliability or any signs that the magazine received external coverage, which doesn't bode well for its status as an RS. The poor sourcing at pt:Atrevida also isn't a good sign that the magazine is "highly regarded in Brazil". Terra and IG are internet portals, meaning their content is mostly sourced from external sites, so they can't really be called reliable; instead, we need to judge the original links. (For instance, the Terra source is by "The Music Journal Brazil", so that is the source that has to be judged.) And please stop discussing the number of votes — that has absolutely nothing to do with notability in reliable sources, which is the requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia. RunningTiger123 (talk) 14:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for your politeness in responding. In the case of the Internet Group, as far as I was able to check, it was the portal that published it through its own means, whereas through other sites it also has a publicity on Ig Gente The MusicJournal Brazil . I forgot to mention that I also added a source from IstoÉ magazine, it is one of the 3 most important Brazilian magazines, people say it is equivalent to Time magazine in the United States. Because of the publication on ie, the publication also appeared on MSN Brazil. Ricardo Fett (talk) 14:35, 04 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Absolute WP:PROMO nonsense. Delete and WP:SALT. KidAd  •  SPEAK  18:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Like I said above before it was relisted, it is possible that the awards were created WP:TOOSOON on pt.WP so their article was deleted there but now the awards do seem to have become notable and the article seems to have been properly sourced and edited. FanDePopLatino (talk) 16:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Although the article is bombed with references, the reliable sources seem to be purely covering Blackpink winning an award a few years ago.  The case for notability for the award seems a bit weak to me from this; I'm balancing that with the WP:TNT case per the possible sock, refbombing, and other concerns expressed by other editors above.  The keep !votes above seem to be making a WP:ITSNOTABLE argument-to-avoid.  I'd reconsider my !vote in the presence of a solid WP:THREE. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added to the article some reliable and independent sources here in Brazil and I believe I now comply with WP:GNG. About affiliated articles (2017 BreakTudo Awards, BreakTudo Awards 2018, BreakTudo Awards 2019, BreakTudo Awards 2020, BreakTudo Award for International Female Artist, and BreakTudo Award for International Duo/Group). I believe they shouldn't have articles of their own, they could be deleted or redirected to BreakTudo Awards. I added this Atrevida magazine, highly regarded in Brazil, this one from the Terra portal, extremely respected, this one from the Internet Group portal, one of the largest in the country. Wouldn't it be a case of reconsidering your vote? Ricardo Fett (talk) 13:43, 04 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Rather than wade through all the sources in the article, I googled "BreakTudo Awards", "BTD Awards Brasil" and "BT Awards Brasil" (searching the latter two without "Brasil" threw up page after page of false positives). Of the four [sic] pages of results for "BreakTudo Awards", precisely one was more than a non-WP:RS listing or announcement of nominations or results - two paragraphs in pt:Jornal de Brasília, a seemingly-reputable local newspaper in Brasilia - and even they read like a press release. Fails WP:NEVENT and WP:GNG.
 * I agree that the daughter articles identified by RunningTiger123, above, should also go.
 * The keep !votes in the 2016 deletion discussion on ptwiki, pt:Wikipédia:Páginas para eliminar/BreakTudo Awards, were effectively WP:ITSNOTABLE; the delete ones were based on inability to locate sources. Two attempts to recreate the article in 2020 (see pt:BreakTudo Awards) were speedily deleted under pt:WP:A4 (= en:WP:A7). If neither Portuguese- nor English-speaking editors can locate WP:RS, I conclude they don't exist. (My limited experience of ptwiki notability standards is that they don't differ greatly from enwiki ones, although they may accept fewer but not lower-quality sources. I once prompted a ptwiki admin (and who I now see contributed to the 2020 enwiki AFD debate) who I knew to start an AFD debate there; corresponding discussions on enwiki had resulted in deletion. I was invited to join in, but declined on the grounds they were doing very well without me. Rightly, they gave no weight to what had happened in enwiki.) Narky Blert (talk) 09:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The discussion about BreakTudo Awards 2016 decided to erase and at that BreakTudo Awards it didn't really seem to be notorious, it seems that the awards were growing little by little, but today it seems to be notorious. Once the Wikipedia article is deleted in Pt, when the topic was not well known, it is easy to delete it in the future if it becomes notorious and is create, that's because just propose for quick elimination based on decided by "PE". I have added several sources that are very reputable in Brazil, can you check and reconsider your vote? Atrevida magazine, highly regarded in Brazil, this one from the Terra portal, extremely respected, this one from the Internet Group portal. About the affluent pages I believe they should be eliminated or redirected. Ricardo Fett (talk) 14:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I found at least two of those. They look as if they're based on press releases. They do not look independent. Narky Blert (talk) 14:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I concur with . Of the sources provided for a WP:THREE, Atrevida magazine looks to be the best (roughly comparable to Teen Vogue or similar in the US), but the article there is just a (long) listing of award categories.  It may be of note for other editors following that this listing appeared in Atrevida less than a day ago.  I think it's plausible that the award will eventually reach notability, for now it appears likely that it is WP:TOOSOON. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * pt:Atrevida. Draw your own conclusions.
 * If the BreakTudo Award is notable, why is there apparently nothing in Globo? That's where I'd have expected to find it. Narky Blert (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The text published on the website "Viralizou" does not provide much support for the article, as it copied an institutional text from the awards website (or perhaps it is a text from a press office). "TodaTeen" is a low quality source, as is "Atrevida" website (it's the same as using gossip tabloids as source). And the website "Terra" pulled a text made by the website "The Music Journal Brasil" (they no longer work with the publication of their own texts). J  talk 22:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * keep My vote is to keep. This award has an article in Istoé magazine, which, at least in Brazil, is one of the most reliable sources there is, the magazine is something mainstream in the country. I believe that the source of Atrevida magazine is very reliable, yes, as Russ said, it is equivalent to Teen Vogue magazine, it is by pt:Editora Escala. I don't have much knowledge about Todateen. The Music Journal Brasil is a very reliable source in Brazil, specialist in music content. From what I saw in this discussion, there are other sources that also contribute to the maintenance of this article, like Ig, Uol, O Dia, CNN, Yahoo, between others. Sara Melo da Silva Costa (talk) 23:13, 06 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Another recently created account that already has prior knowledge to participate in the discussion, but comments like others that have already appeared here. Isn't that suspicious? J  talk 04:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. The issue on why this award does not have an article in ptwiki came up a few times above. The answer is simple. ptwiki is much more strict than enwiki. I have my opinion on if this is good or bad, but it's not immediately relevant now. A lot of things that have articles in enwiki would be deleted in ptwiki in a heartbeat, even if they are about Brazilian topics. So the fact that this was deleted from ptwiki in 2016 is irrelevant to the discussion if it should be kept in enwiki in 2021. Mateussf (talk) 23:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * keep although some sources are not from major portals, there are sources good enough to keep the article. The award seems to be quite notorious. Union920502 (talk) 19:30, 09 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please specify WP:THREE of them. Narky Blert (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


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