Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brenda Jean Patrick


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Skomorokh  17:28, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Brenda Jean Patrick

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Non-notable consultant (near-advertisement) Orange Mike   &#x007C;   Talk  02:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. There have been a lot of newspaper articles about her. See the references section of the article. - Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  — Eastmain (talk • contribs)  03:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I created this article because of the work Ms. Patrick has done within the school system of Texas (including the Pathways alternative school in Sherman/Denison, where I have been involved in a volunteer capacity for a number of years). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captaincorgi (talk • contribs) 05:04, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the comments of Eastman in this regard. Ms. Patrick is not a famous person (in the same sense that Tiger Woods or Britney Spears is famous), and there are not many mentions of her in the mainstream media. She has done her work as an academic in classrooms and meeting rooms where the press is not in attendance. And, if she is mentioned at all, it's in small newspapers in small Texas towns like Mexia, Prosper, etc.

That's because Ms. Patrick is working to make school systems responsive to parents and students. In years gone by, school administrators could be disdainful of parents and students because they had near absolute power over a child's life.

That is no longer true in many areas of Texas and the rest of the U. S. because of the work of Ms. Patrick--and dozens of other academics who are, likewise, largely unknown to the general public.

I believe Ms. Patrick's body of work is worthy of recognition because I have seen the results firsthand. I have also been told about them by elementary school principals where she has been involved in establishing these programs (notably the innovative and award-winning J. C. Austin Elementary in Mesquite, TX).

If given direction by others, I will be glad to edit Ms. Patrick's bio to fit Wikipedia guidelines (as I have been working to do for the past two months).

Again, I agree with Eastman's philosophy. Just because Ms. Patrick's bio has been nominated for deletion from Wikipedia doesn't mean it should be.

Captaincorgi (talk) 05:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC) Article has been trimmed to remove all Ms. Patrick's views. Captaincorgi (talk) 05:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  kur  ykh   07:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources show that she is notable. The article probably could be trimmed down a bit so that it is not so much about her views. (see WP:Coatrack) Borock (talk) 06:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Undoubtedly a worthy and constructive person but that is not the same as notable. It is hard to find evidence of this. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC).
 * Weak keep. Per Eastmain.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Yes she's in several sources, but none of them seem to be major publications. Many of the references are in newspapers of cities of less than 10,000 people (Mexia Daily News and Prosper Press), others are cities of around 30,000 (Copperas Cove Leader-Press  and Herlad Democrat). The article is far less promotional than it was when it was nominated for deletion. However, if it is kept I think all of the external links can be deleted, as I don't really see how they directly relate to Ms. Patrick. PDCook (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Additional sources added, including Dallas Morning News.Captaincorgi (talk) 16:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --BaronLarf 08:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: More sources would not make me inclined to suggest keep. It appears to me like this individual sends out press releases to all the local papers when she speaks to a school, which dutifully run a small item. The mentions in the newspapers do not appear to me to be significant coverage, merely mentioning her. Trying to distill the article into a few words: she is a consultant to school districts, one of 10 members of a non-profit board, and a winner of a state-level prize given to school assistants. Individual teachers get mentions in newspaper articles quite often (Miss Smith's 7th grade class recently took a field trip... Mr. Jones' orchestra recently went on a trip to Disney World) but this does not make them notable either, in my opinion. Not even winners of the National Teacher of the Year have their own article (except for one who now works for the White House).
 * The article began as a a copy-paste from http://brendajeanpatrick.com/about.html (compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brenda_Jean_Patrick&oldid=323566730), and has improved little since then. Half the articles linked to are hosted on her own website, which doesn't strike me as being too reliable. (And even were they reliable, there'd still be a notability problem.) Cheers, --BaronLarf 22:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

References that were linked to Ms. Patrick's personal website have been removed from the listing.Captaincorgi (talk) 22:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, they had not been. I removed 5 more just now. Cheers --BaronLarf 22:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Enough sources to show that she is notable. - Ret.Prof (talk) 20:06, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Over half of the sources in that article did not even reference Brenda Jean Patrick. Five of the linked sources that did link to her were hosted by her own website. (I have now eliminated those links and sources). --BaronLarf 22:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Question - Why do a few of the references in the article point to other Wikipedia pages? Wikipedia is not a reliable source. PDCook (talk) 15:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe there are circular references back to Wikipedia in the Reference section any more. If there are, please remove them--or point them out to me and I will remove them. The See Also topics do relate to Wikipedia topics and are there so that someone who is interested in the concept of customer service can find more in-depth discussions of the topic and the ways in which business organizations handle customer service/customer care issues. At one time, I had links in External Links that may have referred to Wikipedia. BaronLarf removed those. The only reason I included them in the first place was so that readers would be able to find additional discussion of the concept of customer service in education. References I located indicated that the idea of educational institutions treating students like customers dates back at least to the mid-1970s and gradually trickled down to public school districts. Please let me know what else you would like me to do to make the article acceptable.Captaincorgi (talk) 21:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

If your question regards the blue linked references in the body of the article, I have no idea where they came from. I didn't put them. One day, I looked at the article and found that these links to certain word strings had "magically" manifested themselves overnight.Captaincorgi (talk) 22:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * They were added here and linked internally here and here. No worries, I removed them with this edit. PDCook (talk) 22:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much.Captaincorgi (talk) 22:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I should add that if you want to cite those Who's Who books, you'll have to add the full citation. The cite book template is helpful. PDCook (talk) 22:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's Who books are generally not considered reliable sources anyway. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  14:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


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