Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brenda Jones-Matthews


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  21:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Brenda Jones-Matthews

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

WP:BLP of a former mayor of a small city. The city has a population of just 22K, which is not large enough to hand the mayors an automatic presumption of notability just for existing, but this isn't sourced well enough to pass WP:NPOL #2 as "the subject of significant press coverage" -- the only source here is a one-sentence namecheck of her existence as a "what happened elsewhere" coda to an article that's fundamentally about the mayoral race in Indianapolis rather than the mayoral race in Franklin. It's not enough to verify that she exists -- she needs to be the subject of much more press coverage than this, supporting much more substance than just "she exists". Bearcat (talk) 20:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete far below any notability criteria. We have for too long had way too many articles on small town mayors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment From WP:ATA's WP:BIG, "'Delete An Internet forum with 3,000 members / a magazine with 37,000 subscribers / a micronation with a population of 9,400 is not notable. – Notbigenough, 04:56, 7 August 2006'"  posted by Unscintillating (talk) 20:59, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The nominator currently has 15 Indiana mayors nominated for deletion.  Unscintillating (talk) 21:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Notability is not defined by sources in the article, see WP:N.  There is no evidence of a problem here.  Unscintillating (talk) 21:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete there's no sign of WP:NPOL or WP:GNG being met here. I can't even find the WP:MILL coverage I'd expect of the mayor of a medium-sized American town. The only reference is a trivial one-line mention in election coverage. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 01:43, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The ninth entry of WP:BEFORE D1 for Google web from the Indianapolis Star reports that she was the first woman mayor of Franklin. WP:BEFORE D1 Google books reports that she received recognition from both the Indiana House and the Indiana Senate (all of whom are notable) in 1999.  Indiana has a free archive of newspapers, too, did you look there?  And WP:N is not an argument for deletion if you have ignored the WP:ATD.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * "First woman mayor of her own small town" is not an automatic notability criterion for a mayor — every single place that has ever had mayors at all will always eventually have its own first woman, so there's no automatic notability freebie for a mayor just because of her gender in and of itself. If a place isn't large enough that all of its mayors would be automatically accepted as notable because mayor, then the first woman in that list is not automatically more notable because woman than any of the men who preceded her are. Her notability, rather, depends on the same conditions as any other mayor of the same place: being shown as the subject of enough reliable source coverage about her to clear WP:NPOL #2 (which requires considerably more than just being able to minimally source the fact that she existed.) Bearcat (talk) 15:31, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.