Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brenda Venus


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Brenda_Venus
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Most of the information on this page is unverified. Fails WP:NOTE, WP:RS, WP:PEA and WP:AUTOBIO. I put a speedy deletion tag on the page on July 22, 2013 but it was removed. Requests for verification last week have not produced results. The biography seems to be primarily a fan page and is self-promotional without providing any sources. Newjerseyliz (talk) 15:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Creating deletion discussion for Brenda_Venus:
 * Keep The subject's biography may be rather remarkable, but its main facts (the Miller relationship, the Russian play starring a gymnast) are verifiable in multiple sources; I have added these into the article. While other aspects of the article - the film career - need further sourcing, and there is some promotional fluff that could be removed for a better encyclopaedic article, I think there is enough to establish verifiable notability. AllyD (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete While AllyD has done a nice job identifying some sources for certain aspects of Venus' career, there are major quotes about her "significance" that form a large section of the body of the article that still are uncited or the reference is to a self-published newsletter or website (that doesn't even include the URL). (WP:RS)
 * Delete The article originally included information (about beauty pageants, being a ballerina, etc.) that other users investigated and found to be false (Talk:Brenda Venus & WP:AUTOBIO) As far as her acting career, I think the most polite thing that can be said after looking it over her IMDb page is that she had some minor success with bit parts in a few films and a couple episodes of TV series (WP:PEA).
 * While Venus did correspond with Henry Miller during the last year of his life, being a pen pal to a famous author does not meet the standard of being notable (WP:NOTINHERITED). There are plenty of published academics, scientists, spouses of notable people, best-selling authors who have achieved a great deal more (than, say, a column in Playboy) whose biographies do not meet notability standards. Think all of the accomplished people whose biographies are deleted because they are judged as failing to meet Wikipedia standards...does this article show evidence of meeting or exceeding these standards (WP:NOTE)? I don't think so. Newjerseyliz (talk) 02:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just read Notability (people) policy page and I don't think this article meets the agreed upon standards. Newjerseyliz (talk) 23:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I appreciated finding this info about her. Not saying it strictly adheres to all applicable policies; I don't really know.  Can say that even if this entry doesn't meet all criteria, that I'm still glad I caught it before it disappeared.  While I can certainly understand, and agree, with the need to be conservative about living people, and the other potential abuses that a Wikipedia page could be used for, I don't see how this one is egregious on either front.  But just my opinion.  I suppose there's a fine, and -subjective- line defining "notable".  I certainly haven't looked up too many people on the internet, and part of that is simply due to the difficulty in finding something consice and, hopefully, reliable.  I definately appreciate Wikiipedia and respect the efforts of those volunteering their time to help maintain it's deserved reputation.  I suppose in the end it's that I see this one as fairly trivial, "No harm, no foul." while at the same time glad I had the chance to read it.  Thank you Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.232.79.212 (talk) 08:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:58, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:58, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:51, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment I have struck additional delete opinions above, as they were both by the nominator here; the nominator's position can be assumed to be already clear per nomination. AllyD (talk) 19:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't recall casting a vote for this deletion but according the edit history, I did. My mistake. Thank you for the correction. Newjerseyliz (talk) 13:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  05:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep basically per WP:NOTCLEANUP. Her claims of notability are credible and in large part verifiable, we just need to work a bit on the page. Much of the apparently "unsourced" stuff is actually sourced (eg "...Lawrence Durrell wrote in the introduction to Miller's book Dear, Dear Brenda...." or "In his book Joey, Miller wrote of Venus..."). Cavarrone  20:33, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.