Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Breshna Orya


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 16:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Breshna Orya

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Contested PROD. Article was originally PRODded by User:Edcolins with "Sources requested since September 2007, to establish notability, but in vain. She has written a cookbook, alright (this is supported by a source), but this is clearly not enough to have an article on Wikipedia." Article was rescue tagged and deprodded (in a malformed way,) by User:Ajmalpaghman, and a discussion commenced on the Talk page. I am merely nominating this to hold discussion in the proper venue, and am therefore neutral unless I state otherwise below RoninBK T C 02:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Afghanistan-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 03:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Some of the claims in the article appear to be incorrect. The cookbook's author is given as Helen Saberi, not Breshna Orya , at the Library of Congress at http://lccn.loc.gov/00058200  and at the publisher's website at http://www.hippocrenebooks.com/book.aspx?id=1077 I found a posting from Breshna Orya about an airport in the Central African Republic, which makes the claim that she lived there plausible. The Afghan Women's Association International at http://www.awai.org is based in California rather than Switzerland according to its website, although I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Breshna Orya is the head of some other association of Afghan women. I can't find a listing for her in the catalogue of the British Library at http://catalogue.bl.uk or of the Library of Congress at http://catalog.loc.gov although I did find a listing for Shaima Breshna, listed as a co-author of the cookbook. --Eastmain (talk) 03:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:BIO and possible WP:HOAX. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Gary King (talk) 09:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are plenty of food writers in wikipedia. While I understand that "other stuff exists" is not a rationale, I maintain that based on a Common law approach, precedents and practice must also count.  Hence if we remove this article, we should also haunt for all other article about food writers who are not more notable than this.  --Ajmalpaghman (talk) 12:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not based upon common law. (Which is good because I don't want to have to get a law degree to edit Wikipedia.) The problem with the "other stuff exists" argument is that it is a subjective comparison, saying that this article is just like those that were kept. It is much preferable to apply an objective standard, such as whether it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. And in this case, the article does not appear to meet that standard, ergo Delete. -- RoninBK T C 14:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ''To the admin closing the debate: please consider whether or not to take into account Ajmalpaghman's opinion here, in view of his recent contributions. Thanks. --Edcolins (talk) 17:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that this is the user's first article should not be held against them, unless you are accusing them of sockpuppetry. If anything, it is evidence that WP:BITE applies. -- RoninBK T C 02:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You can whack me with a trout! You are right! I withdraw my stupid note, and thanks for your vigilance. Cheers --Edcolins (talk) 19:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. (I proded the article.) Fails WP:BIO. The claim that she would have written the cookbook cannot even be verified by other sources. Google book (here) does not mention her as author, but Helen Saberi. --Edcolins (talk) 17:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. A country is a country and should have the same status in wikipedia.  I mean, if someone is notable in Tuvalu or Burkina Faso for being a local writer or singer (even though those countries have very low population), this is the same as if someone is notable in the US for being a notable writer or singer.  True, a US notable singer is known worldwide too, while a Burkina Faso notable singer is probably not known outside.  But for wikipedia, I don't think this matters.  So, as a writer of Afghan food books (and there are not so many !), she is notable for wikipedia.--Afghanking (talk) 09:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia! And thanks for your interest and contribution to the debate. The problem is that, as I have mentioned above, the claim that she would have written the book cannot be verified. But, in my opinion, even if it could be verified, the person would still need to be notable, and not all authors of cookbooks can be considered notable. --Edcolins (talk) 20:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


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