Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brett Bellemore


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 00:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Brett Bellemore
NN hockey player, fails sportspeople guidelines set in WP:BIO, precedent set with discussion at Articles for deletion/Jovica Zelenbaba Tony fanta 00:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are also former/current Plymouth Whalers players that do not meet WP:BIO and have not been drafted by the NHL or show any notability:
 * Wes Cunningham
 * Leo Jenner
 * Jozek Sladok
 * Steve Ward (ice hockey player)
 * Frank Grzeszczak
 * Zack Shepley
 * Vern Cooper
 * Kaine Geldart
 * Andrew Fournier
 * Brett Valliquette
 * Chris Terry (hockey player)
 * A.J. Jenks
 * Joe Gaynor


 * Delete per Articles for deletion/Eric Pfligler. I saw two with extra one-liners (unsourced). ~ trialsanderrors 07:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. -- Kf4bdy talk contribs 07:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. MER-C 08:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all per trialsanderrors. -- NORTH talk 00:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Save because their status in the future is unknown, as most of them are rookies or second years. We can delete them when their hockey career leads to little, but they are a part of a professional team in a professional league.  Why are Plymouth Whalers being targeted when I could point out even more players from the Saginaw Spirit and Belleville Bulls? 35.11.236.45 14:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment The Ontario Hockey League is NOT professional. It is AMATEUR. Its players are amateurs. Flibirigit 21:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Rebuttal Not true. The NCAA considers the OHL and all members of the Canadian Hockey League to be professional teams, and playing with a team removes a year of eligibility from NCAA hockey play.  Just signing with an agent in the NFL nullifies college elibility, the OHL is a professional league. 35.11.236.45 12:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Counter rebuttal I find it very ironic that the NHL, which is a much larger organization that the NCAA considers the OHL, QMJHL and WHL to be junior/amateur leagues. Wikipedia also concurs with the NHL. These are amateur teams. Flibirigit 13:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all Junior hockey players are not considered notable, no matter which team they play for. Unless the player is considered a very top prospect, for example when Sidney Crosby played in the QMJHL. Flibirigit 21:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Excerpt from Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 8
 * Quote from ccwaters

Clarification: the guideline at WP:BIO states ''Sportspeople who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in an individual professional sport, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad already have articles.'' So for hockey players, they are wiki notable if they have played professionally. Of course there are always exceptions like hot prospects (Jordan Staal, Phil Kessel, etc)... ccwaters 20:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

With the OHL being considered a professional league, it would mean that all players could be up. Don't get me wrong, I don't really consider there to be entirely bright hockey futures for all of them, but I can promise that at least 4 will be playing in higher leagues in the next 3 years, at least one of them next year. 35.11.236.45 00:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC) Update: upon further research into the matter, I would make a suggestion as to players to save, from this list, as long other OHL teams are given similar chances to get their prospects "wikiworthy". I would suggest leaving Steve Ward, Andrew Fournier, Vern Cooper, and A.J. Jenks. Among players in the list above, there may be fringe NHL draft picks, but the four I have mentioned will move on. 35.11.236.45 01:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.