Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brett Frana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Valley2 city ‽ 07:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Brett Frana

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This issue came to my attention via WP:COIN, where a user seemed to be editing his autobiography. If this is in fact a notable musician we should keep the article, but no reliable sources are provided, and Google results are unpromising. Frana is mentioned in our article on Bile (band). Since Bile's records since 2000 appear to be self-published, the band's notability is not guaranteed. My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult seems to meet WP:MUSIC, but the band's web site does not mention Brett Frana. Google does not reveal any association between Frana and that band, except for mirrors of Wikipedia. It is unclear if Frana has even made any recordings with them. And it goes without saying that not all members of a notable band are notable. Individual members need to meet WP:BIO on their own. EdJohnston (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:MUSIC - nominator's research appears to be confirmed. ukexpat (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't find any reliable sources either, and many of the details added simply don't check out. Anyone with a CV like "a well known Production designer for tv movie tv and music industry. Brett has worked as a production designer for Hanna Montana, Demi Lovato, Poison, Jonas Bros, Allman Bros, Rock and Republic, Bvlgari, Verizon, TNT, FOX, Third Eye Blind, 30 Rock, Devil Wears Prada, Gucci, Ferrari, Ford,Dodge and hundreds more"  shouldn't be so difficult to find; and I'm smelling a wind-up. It's hard to believe anyone could have such a solid media career and be "not skilled at the ways of the computer and internet" . Gordonofcartoon (talk) 02:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult are notable. Unsourced addition of Frana reeks badly of vandalism and was badly done, breaking the info box. change done by 173.70.227.244. Justin thyme also added at the same time. I've tried to fix the vandalism. Duffbeerforme (talk) 18:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Bile 1992-2000, Frana, born 1983? Why do I even less believe him? Duffbeerforme (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, blatant hoax = vandalism. Duffbeerforme (talk) 18:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as above, not notable enough through reliable sources. Dayewalker (talk) 06:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems not be a member of either Bile or My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult (though according to Bile's MySpace page someone called Brett Frana did do the lighting for one of their stage shows).  If not a band member, the article is just another non-notable vanity biography.  Astronaut (talk) 07:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

ok so i was in the process of editing my page for the site.. i have contacted the webmaster of the thrill kill kult page and she said she will be changing the site in the next day or 2.. yes i am a real member of thrill kill kult.. they referr to me as Brett Piranha.. i started olaying live on stage with them in the early 2008 as their second keyboardist for their 20th annaversery tour and then for this last tour in which thrill kill broke up 14days into it. i was playing guitar on most songs bass on a couple and keys on 2... yes i am legit.. i was in Bile from 2003 to early 2008 when i quit to to thrill kill. i however am still involved in the booking and production end of bile as im their video editor and designing a new lighting rig for their new tour.. its all true and i am not a liar and vandalising a page.. i went by the name brett frana in bile and also brett bile......please give me some time for the thrill kill website to be updated. but i am no liar and its 100% true

Brett —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettfrana (talk • contribs) 17:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

also as far as my production work goes that also is all true.. how it works is i work for a dozen companies that hire me as a freelancer.. companies such as Jet Sets, BML-Blackbird, PRG, All Access, WestEFX, Powerhouse Sets, ED & TEDS, Scarff Weisburg, All of those are main production companies that get the gig and then hire e to turn the clients work into reality.. that is my main job thrill kill and bile are just smaller bands that dont do too much work anymore and especially afetr thrill kill just broke up... i am a production designer and yes its something that bothers me when the companies and boss get the credit and not the people actually doin the main work..and also i know my grammer is not the best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettfrana (talk • contribs) 17:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sure those who brought up the hoax suggestions apologize if they are mistaken, but the key issue here is notability. If you find some reliable sources to establish notability, it will help your article stay up.  Thanks and good luck. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 17:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition to the notability issue, Brett, for some reason you don't seem to understand that you're not supposed to write an article about yourself. ...Oh, and by the way, delete. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 00:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

is there any way to prevent it from being wrongfully deleted? when i randomally search peoples profiles and see they have a wiki page they have alot of useless info and self promoting also on there page. its seems odd that i seem to be being picked on when all i was doing was kept adding more information about my life, career, hobbies to my bio. i thought i was doing the right thing by making sure things were accurate to my life and that it had information about that me that was true and told my story so to speak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.28.34 (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, Wikipedia depends on the verifiability of its sources and that is especially true for biographies of living people. I'll check the band's sites again in a couple of days, but may I propose the page is moved to the userspace (possibly User:Brettfrana/Brett Frana) until he can find reliable sources which allow us to verify what he has done.  Astronaut (talk) 00:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.