Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brett Walton


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The result was   no consensus. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 06:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Brett Walton

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No particular evidence that this person is notable, so far as I can tell. See also ╟─ Treasury  Tag ►  secretariat  ─╢ 13:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:BIO, no significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources. Only one WP:Secondary source has been supplied so far: it doesn't mention his surname, which explains why I wasn't able to find it in an online search. Top Jim (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Jim above. Fin©™ 13:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep lots of significant online coverage TadjHolmes (talk) 14:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So prove it. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  Speaker  ─╢ 14:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Check the page now - well over 15 references / citations without even trying —Preceding unsigned comment added by TadjHolmes (talk • contribs) 14:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "Significant coverage" means in-depth coverage on Walton, not mentions of him or quotes from him in connection with his company. Most of the WP:Secondary sources you've given are quotes from him about the industry, or quotes from him about his company, which is indeed notable. But please note that being the CEO of a notable company does not of itself automatically confer notability. Top Jim (talk) 15:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what you mean. He is notable for being the CEO of a major website and for providing analysis of the videogame industry in this position as is demonstrated by the various articles based on his comments on videogame industry related issues. What is it that you are looking for in terms of "in-depth coverage on Walton"? Do you have an example of what you mean by this?TadjHolmes (talk) 15:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A good example would be profiles on him and interviews with him, from WP:Reliable sources. Top Jim (talk) 15:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify a reliable source? Are, , not reliable? If not, then why?TadjHolmes (talk) 15:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * All three articles are about video games, not about Walton, and only quote him briefly about the products. Quoting WP:BASIC (emphasis mine):
 * {{quote|"A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject."
 * What's needed is coverage about him, from WP:Secondary, WP:Reliable sources. Top Jim (talk) 17:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * References 4 and 5 are clearly about him and references 6-16 clearly demonstrate his public presence as an expert in his field who is called upon to comment on key industry matters and trends. Surely this meets the basic requirements of notability. TadjHolmes (talk) 08:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I will leave it to editors with expertise in the video game industry to evaluate whether BitBag and Gaming Blend are regarded as WP:Reliable sources. Top Jim (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You said reliable or secondary sources - even if they are not deemed to be reliable they are certainly secondary sources. From how I understand the definition of a reliable source, those I listed above all fit and clearly refer to Walton as an expert in his field while two secondary (or even reliable depending on your interpretation) sources cover him as you asked for. TadjHolmes (talk) 09:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I said "WP:Secondary, WP:Reliable sources", not one or the other. It's not clear to me yet whether the two references that you've given which are about him are WP:Reliable, though they are apparently WP:Secondary. Top Jim (talk) 10:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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 * For what it's worth, I've never heard of BitBag or GamingBlend before this. Thanks! Fin©™ 10:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, this is all very subjective really. TheBitBag is listed on Technorati and ranked just outside the top 100 gaming sites, likewise Cinema Blend is ranked in the top 170 blogs in all categories and is listed as a major site with a high authority. Also, Jim - surely a reliable source would supercede a secondary source so why list both if it is a reliable source you are interested in? TadjHolmes (talk) 12:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It needs both: reliable sources don't necessarily supercede secondary sources. For example, McDonald's online press releases can be a highly reliable source of info about their chain, but neither secondary nor objective, and so unlikely to be acceptable on their own as sources.  Similarly, press releases from Vgchartz can't be considered secondary sources, and some online sites simply publish press releases more-or-less verbatim, with no editorial control. Worse still, some sites that are routinely considered "reliable" on Wikipedia, like Yahoo and MSN, will barf up a dodgy press release unchanged, dignifying it with a "reliable" looking URL. It's not an exact science, by any means. Wikipedia operates by consensus, rather than by hard-and-fast rules, so I'm hoping for more input from as many editors as possible. Top Jim (talk) 12:31, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Very weak keep Appears to have a record of commentary and media interviews regarding issues in the industry. It is very borderline IMO.The Eskimo (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  —Top Jim (talk) 17:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  —Top Jim (talk) 17:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * weakish Keep the interviews, in particular deal with him.  Is he the subject?  Yeah, him and his site.  An author or other creative person is generally notable for their work, this appears to be a similar case.  I agree with Eskimo, it's fairly borderline.  But the article is now fairly well written and has a lot of weak sources backing up the stronger ones so I think it's (just) over the line. Hobit (talk) 05:31, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. ({{find video game sources short|Brett Walton|linksearch=}}) • Gene93k (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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