Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brewers Fayre


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The result was   keep. As in "not delete"; whether it should be merged to the parent company is not totally clear from this discussion but can be discussed on its talk page.  Sandstein  09:02, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Brewers Fayre

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Non notable pub restaurant subsidiary of Whitbread, fails WP:CORP. Most references supplied are about the parent company, mentioning this chain in passing. Contested PROD. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:03, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep I read WP:CORP differently, and I would incline to keep. Brewers Fayre is a well known brand and a significant player in the market. However, as it is a wholly owned subsidiary Whitbreads do not choose to disclose information about the activities of Brewers Fayre independently of the rest of their restaurants and it tends to be bundled in with their hotels as well in the financial reports. Reliable sources will aways be difficult. Wikipedia is a fuller source of information about this and other Whitbread activities than the official Whitbread and subsidiary sites and any other easily findable sources on the internet. Rather than delete and see useful information lost, which Whitbreads would evidently be happy about, I would rather it stayed with a tag for sources. Alternatively merge with Whitbread, but if that is done for each division of the group it could end up too long an article. --AJHingston (talk) 13:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep There are hundreds of references to this chain in Google Books. Worst case is just merger to Whitbread &mdash; there is no case for deletion. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Just how many of those "references" are substantial coverage? Answer - none, they are listings in directories or passing mentions in lists of Whitbread owned businesses. Please familiarise yourself with the concepts of notability. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * With respect, I do think we will all have read them. But a similar argument has been deployed recently over a subsidiary with turnover of around 8 billion euros, and common sense has to prevail. Although Brewers Fayre is a very much smaller outfit there is a point where it becomes possible to judge with confidence that it is large or otherwise significant enough to qualify, and that over the 30 years of existance reliable information will have been created about it. And things like company reports and accounts can be used as sources because they are statutorily regulated and audited, but a fair bit of work would be required to unearth the material.. --AJHingston (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge to Whitbread. This article is in a better state than Taylor Walker Pubs because it does actually manage to say something other than a sales pitch. However, it's ambigous as to whether this is sufficiently seperate from Whitbread to be worth a separate article. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 22:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Mergye to Whitbread. Thy ærticle dost not provyde a ræson why yonder olde pubbe is notyble independent of its parent companie.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:08, 14 May 2011 (UTC).
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