Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Clark (September 11 attacks survivor)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) C T J F 8 3  04:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Brian Clark (September 11 attacks survivor)

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Bio for a guy known for just one event (where he did not have an important role). Damiens .rf 21:17, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Did not have an important role? The numerous media accounts contradict that and provide more than enough information for an article. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:40, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: this is the second nomination for this article, the first can be found at Articles for deletion/Brian Clark Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:31, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think we need to base this one on the numerous reliabe sources that are available rather than strictly adherring to the rules of notability. --Kumioko (talk) 12:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep -- It has been half a dozen years since there was a serious suggestion that all survivors or all victims of disasters like 9-11 merit coverage here. Blanket coverage of all survivors and victims does not comply with WP:NOTMEMORIAL.  But a small slice of the victims and survivors of disasters like 9-11 either were already notable, or there is some aspect of the coverage of their stories that transcends memorial like coverage.  Evan Kohlmann wrote his Master's thesis on Osama bin Laden.  Pre-9-11 that was not notable.  Post-9-11 Kohlmann parlayed this thesis to make himself the King of the third-party counter-terrorism commentators.  Debra Burlingame was merely the sister of an airline pilot.  Pre-9-11 she was not-notable. Post-9-11 she made herself a notable commentator.  A small number of individuals rose to notability through an association with 9-11.  Our nominator claims Clark is "known for just one event (where he did not have an important role)".  This is wrong.  Clark is known for testifying before Congress and before the 911 Commission, and for the many interviews, profiles of him in the press and in documentaries.  Clark found an escape route, and several hundred victims on the upper floors could have survived if they had been informed of this route.  Our nominator is entitled to the personal opinion that Clark "did not have an important role".  But we have to comply with WP:VER here.  Authoritative references have gone on record that Clark did play an important role.  The opinion of authoritative references trump the personal opinion of our nominator.  Geo Swan (talk) 15:02, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: It's very well sourced and has substantial content, and is a very exceptional survivor account for having been above the impact. Daniel Christensen (talk) 04:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Congressional testimony transforms this from a lucky One Event survivor to a public figure. Adequate sourcing showing to constitute notability in Wikipedia terms. Carrite (talk) 17:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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